Let. It. Go. Seriously, your only contribution is this broken record of the parents shouldn’t have let their kids get certified without them nonsense. You’re wrong, you’re victim blaming, and you’re bludgeoning the issue with hindsight. Multiple people have pointed it out, but regardless you’ve made your point so move on.
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johndiver999
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The parents are victims, too. Dylan took swim lessons, the parents paid for extra private 1:1 OW time, and the father did try to be allowed in the water with the class, so IMO they went above and beyond what the avg parent would do.
I'm overly sensitive to parents in these situations, so I apologize for coming off like a jerk.
Armstrong changed his name on FB, btw. Comments on Scuba Toys past FB posts are blowing up...it's brutal (rightfully so).
So, looks like Scuba Toys has shut down their FB page and no classes are available to book on their website. One very small step.
Joe H Johnson's FB page is still up, but he's scrubbed the reference to being the owner of Scuba Toys.
Joe H Johnson's FB page is still up, but he's scrubbed the reference to being the owner of Scuba Toys.
Belzelbub
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I was supposed to be out there that day and was out there the next day and spoke to some of the first responders. I and a few others in our group have had the displeasure of doing our OW cert with Scuba Toys. Our experience was terrible, overweighted, not a lot of supervision and confusion. In fact, I got into a shouting match with one of their AI's/DM's who was also a PSD, basically it ended with a I will certify you guys and then good ******* luck in blue water. I told hime to EABOD. Never took another class there again. This is not shocking, they are the Spirit of the Scuba World. The latest video from Fox4 has pretty much sealed their fate in the DFW dive community.
Here is an additional thought.
The instructor whose team found the body said that when he confronted Armstrong before they went into the water to find the girl, Armstrong's equipment was "bone dry." He had trouble understanding how your equipment could be bone dry if you had just been in the water conducting a class and then searching for a missing diver.
Speaking of Armstrong's computer, the police said "no data is to be recovered," without further explanation is to why they could not or would not recover the data.
What is the explanation is that there is no data from that dive on the computer? What if the computer, too, was "bone dry"?
TostitoBandito
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Yup. Certainly possible he never even got in the water. Although isn't that contradictory to witness accounts about how the accident went down? Or, the cops could've been confused and wrote an erroneous report, which wouldn't be surprising either.
Concannon was quoted here as saying the instructor was in the water. The class went down, had an issue, came back up, went back down again. When did they lose Dylan in all that is in question and what they did to look for her (if anything) and how long before anyone called for help.
One of the initial rumors was that Armstrong knew she was missing but figured she just swam off or went back to the surface or whatever and only realized much later that she never surfaced.
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