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Every advertisment that I've seen for SASY/SASA clearly shows
a SNORKEL attached to the mask.

Again, WTFO? If the child/adult cannot/willnot learn to snorkel
it is just plain STUPID to place that person face down in the
water with a limited gas supply and then say "heh heh heh,
when the tank is empty just switch to your snorkel."

Contrary to *popular* belief diving is NOT for everyone.
 
I can see why the kids might really like it, if it looks more "grown up" to them, as well as the advantages of having them get in the habit of using a regulator, checking their guages, setting up gear, etc. On the other hand, I can also see the dangers involved in letting a child who cannot use a snorkel remain face down in the water with a flotation device, as described above.

Maybe the ability to snorkel should be a required prerequisite to taking a SASY class or using SASY.

Just a thought.

otter-cat:)
 
From what I read about sasy, it sounds like just another product to sell, that has little to none reall importance/benefit.

Someone that can't use a snorkel probobly has a fear of lack of air situation, so I can just imagine what happens if such a person runs out of air, and the guide dosent see it in time. I can't really find anything good at this. Sheesh, what else will padi invent!?
 
Im curious as to how many of you have actually seen this device in action?!? By your replies, I would doubt many or any of you have. Also I'm surprised most all of you support the idea of a snorkel. Not long ago people would get blasted on this message board if they even hinted a snorkel had a useful purpose in scuba. By the way I do support the use of a snorkel.

By the way Liqud, PADI didnt event this idea. It was started by SSI with there scuba rangers program, PADI just wanted in on the action.

Ryan Stone
IDCS
 
I did not want to make this issue controversial, nor did I want to get defensive just because I get a chance to be part of the program at its local inception, but perhaps I should define the senario:

SASY appears to be marketted to diving parents whose kids are tagging along on family diving vacations. My students are at-risk teens whose families would not likely have the money to buy them a simple snorkel. They qualify for a program that lends them the gear for the 2 days they are learning in the pool. Then they get a day at the ocean under our supervision, and we are all volunteers.

SASY is simple to teach & learn. The kids learn to assemble the gear & take it apart & clean it. They learn to use it in the water & use buddy protocol. They practice entries & exits. If we were to teach them to use a regular snorkel in addition to the SASY system, we would have to take extra time, which is not part of the program, so we just don't give them a snorkel since they won't have time to learn to use it safely.

The teens almost invariably have never seen an ocean before much less have been in moving water. They have plenty on their mind as the kelp brushes their legs (they find this terrifying), the crabs crawl on the rocks that they are climbing over, and as the currents pull them. For most, this will be the only day they ever use SASY gear, but if they master the skills, they receive a "C" card for SASY which will allow them to do the skill wherever SASY is offered.

Every so often, a kid will inquire about underwater careers as a result of the program. Most cannot imagine having an expensive hobby just for fun! The idea of such a program is A) to plant a seed in the minds of kids that diving is fun & interesting and B) to take some kids with limited lives & opportunities to an element so alien to them that they cannot hide behind bravado & bad behavior. They have to learn to cooperate & face fears they did not know they had. Thus, SASY is no repalcement for regular snorkelling skills and it is certainly not a full scuba course (although we sometimes change up the program to allow for a scuba adventure in the deep end for those who can clear their ears). It can play a role of value regardless.

As the curriculum solidifies, I could see this as an alternative for summer camps, church youth groups, boy/girl scout troups, and park district programs. It would probably generate quite a few future divers, but for the most part, it would give lots of kids a chance to taste a one-time adventure. IF taught poorly, it could scare potential students away (kids are afraid of the strangest things).
 
art.chick
This sounds like a really cool deal for kids. Do you know what the age limits are. I have a granddaughter who is alittle young yet to start something like this, but I would love to try and get her involved in a few years. I went through the OW class with my granddaughters mother (my daughter) when she was 13. She had to do the OW twice because of mask removal at depth, she did pass and get her card but I think something like sasy would have helped perpare her and made it easyier for her when she took her OW class.
 
I think the PADI page will have the exact limits on age for this (although I am involved in a NAUI program, I followed the link that another diver gave above & found it a few nights ago.) but I have assisted with kids who I believe were as young as 8. Hope your little sea lion enjoys her course!
 
Art-chick-

First of all- You dont have to be deffensive at all.

I didn't realize the kind of course tought was as you described. Where I live I dont think there's any kid of 3 years or more that haven't been to the sea (in a small country like israel, you can probobly get no further than 50 KM from sea). I also didnt realize it was a course tought to problematic kids.

Where I study, there's a program called "PERACH", to help problematic kids. They started, about a year ago a new program of teaching scuba to kids. when they finish they recive a junior OW cert.

P.S-

Why teach SASY and rather than regular snorkeling?
 
Tee Hee,
Well, Liquid, that is why I posted this thread; to hear reactions from parents/kids who have used or seen kids use both. I have taught snorkelling, & the kids learn surface diving. The SASY unit keeps the group up where I can watch everyone at once. Perhaps that is why. I joined the program after it was in progress & the equipment was purchased.

Many of the students say, "When can we go down there?" when they see divers below them. I am hoping to suggest that we have snorkelling become part of the second-stage of the program, for kids who made it thru SASY & want to come back. Since the program is new,they may be open to suggestions if I have some good substantiation as to why it would be a good idea. After all, I will be asking that an agency allocate $$$ for snorkels, at least 15 of them. (At about $30-45 each, that will be a tough sell.)

The program your group offers sounds great! I hope ours can evolve into that. The tragic thing about the kids we get is that they don't live far from the ocean, perhaps an hour bus ride! They just don't have an adult in their lives who will take them there. You would be heartbroken to know how many kids in Southern California live so close to Hollywood, amusement parks, mountains, ocean, museums, deserts, and islands but never get to see any of them! I am not rich, but I understand how hopelessness can end a life before it begins. One of our girls never made it to our beach day because her brother was shot the night before. If we can make one would-be drug dealer into a nature-lover, our volunteer time has been well-spent.
 

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