jimholcomb
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This post is intended for those outside the cavediving community who don't seem to understand some of our beliefs.
The rules (in recovery we call them cardinal sins) we live by are built off dead pioneers in our community. The rule of thirds, continous guildline to the surface, 130' max depth - these are all rules that ALL agencies in the cavediving community adhere to. The REASON - through accident analysis of every death - NOT doing one of the above was usually the cause of death of a diver. And it took a lot of dead divers to come to these conclusions. So now, for the most part, cavedivers abide by these three rules. And, for the most part, cavedivers will not dive with others who do not abide by these rules. We don't care how many times you violated the 3rds rule and came out OK. We don't care how many times you entered the cave without a guildline. You will NEVER do it with us. As time has progressed, there have been other "unwritten rules" that have come about BASED on this same accident analysis - for example, 3 lights and no solo in a cave. From every death we learn more and more about what not to do or how to do things safer. This information is based on FACTS derived from the accident analysis of DEAD people. It continues to this day to be the ones that ignore this because they've "gotten away with it" in the past OR believe it's a risk they are willing to take that continue to DIE. THIS IS WHY many of us are so passionate about our belief structure. We were trained differently than other aspects of technical diving - our rules were based on the fatal mistakes of our pioneers.
My reasons for posting this was two fold. First, I hope folks understand where some of us come from and why we can't understand why some one would continue to dive in a FACTUALLY unsafe manner , ie deep air, violating thirds, ect....
Second, please understand why when someone brags about their deep air dives our violating KNOWN safe practices that we get rude. And PLEASE understand WHY - when we call you an idiot. Clearly, an individual with thousand of dives KNOWS BETTER. We are not talking about personal choice or personal preference here - We are talking about THE MENTAL CAPACITY OF ONE TO UNDERSTAND why DIVERS DIE. They die from doing DUMB things. And I am not the one who defines DUMB - DEAD DIVERS DEFINE THE WORD DUMB! And most of these dead divers got away with it for a LONG time - BUT they are still just as DEAD.
The rules (in recovery we call them cardinal sins) we live by are built off dead pioneers in our community. The rule of thirds, continous guildline to the surface, 130' max depth - these are all rules that ALL agencies in the cavediving community adhere to. The REASON - through accident analysis of every death - NOT doing one of the above was usually the cause of death of a diver. And it took a lot of dead divers to come to these conclusions. So now, for the most part, cavedivers abide by these three rules. And, for the most part, cavedivers will not dive with others who do not abide by these rules. We don't care how many times you violated the 3rds rule and came out OK. We don't care how many times you entered the cave without a guildline. You will NEVER do it with us. As time has progressed, there have been other "unwritten rules" that have come about BASED on this same accident analysis - for example, 3 lights and no solo in a cave. From every death we learn more and more about what not to do or how to do things safer. This information is based on FACTS derived from the accident analysis of DEAD people. It continues to this day to be the ones that ignore this because they've "gotten away with it" in the past OR believe it's a risk they are willing to take that continue to DIE. THIS IS WHY many of us are so passionate about our belief structure. We were trained differently than other aspects of technical diving - our rules were based on the fatal mistakes of our pioneers.
My reasons for posting this was two fold. First, I hope folks understand where some of us come from and why we can't understand why some one would continue to dive in a FACTUALLY unsafe manner , ie deep air, violating thirds, ect....
Second, please understand why when someone brags about their deep air dives our violating KNOWN safe practices that we get rude. And PLEASE understand WHY - when we call you an idiot. Clearly, an individual with thousand of dives KNOWS BETTER. We are not talking about personal choice or personal preference here - We are talking about THE MENTAL CAPACITY OF ONE TO UNDERSTAND why DIVERS DIE. They die from doing DUMB things. And I am not the one who defines DUMB - DEAD DIVERS DEFINE THE WORD DUMB! And most of these dead divers got away with it for a LONG time - BUT they are still just as DEAD.