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One cant expect people to hurry deco just because they are impatient, if someone gets the bends, well potentially that's the rest of the days diving shot for everyone as its dealt with.

I don't expect them to blow off deco, I expect them to plan their dives.

The only excuses for a deco dive blowing the boat's schedule are incompetence, or indifference to the other divers. The entire dive profile including deco should be known before anybody ever splashes.

flots.
 
I repeat my request for answers************An unanswered question to the combined posters is "When did making a safety stop for a few moments (time varies) become requirement, or a suggested diving protocol?"
Who or what agency first initiated the requirement, or suggested a stop as a diving protocol? And why is the stop so important?
 
Thalassamania has repeatedly posted that the safety stop was included as a method to control the ascent rate in shallow water, but I can't recall if he said when that took place.
 
Yes. The "no deco" limit for 15' is a little under 6 hours, although I'm not certain if that's real or just to make the dive tables work. I seem to remember that the NDL is actually essentially infinite at that depth.

In any case, you'll get cold, tired, bored or run out of gas, long before you run out of no-deco time at that depth.

flots.

I read a study once (sorry I can't find it right now) where divers were subjected to chamber depth for 24 hours, and then surfaced, and monitored for decompression sickness. I believe the depth for which you couldn't get bent was something like 6m (18 ft).

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I tend to agree with Dumpster diver that, while staying at 5 m for any length of time will not hurt, you will off-gas much more quickly at the surface.
 
I repeat my request for answers************An unanswered question to the combined posters is "When did making a safety stop for a few moments (time varies) become requirement, or a suggested diving protocol?"
Who or what agency first initiated the requirement, or suggested a stop as a diving protocol? And why is the stop so important?

I thought the safety stop was developed from studies done at the Catalina chamber.
 
Safety stops are not deco stops. Totally different thing, but the principle is the same.


I started diving over 25 years ago. Back then the recommendation in Australia was 3 minutes at 3 metres (10 feet). Later, not sure when, it became 5 @ 5. When you read all the literature on it, you are mad not to do at least 3 minutes if you have done a dive over say 18 metres or went close to decompression.


Our club has adopted it in our code of practice and is compulsory on boat dives using our own (member owned) boats. If someone comes on my boat and does not do it, then I will give them one more chance. Do it twice and you will never come back on my boat. This will also apply even if someone has not enough air to do it. If they run that low on air without a very good reason, again, not welcome to dive on my boat.


As to doing long safety stops against the boat owner/skipper's wishes, then I agree, but I are not talking about that. I am also not talking about doing long safety stops in cold weather. I am solely talking about multiple and possibly deep dives over an extended period such as diving from a liveaboard in tropical waters.
 
I agree with you if its recreational diving, as I can see how this can be a pain in particular if the weather is cold. I too have been pissed off with people who decide to play in the water for some time (in their dry suit), while others freeze in the cold and wind while waiting. I don't think however spending an additional 2 minutes on a safety stop would even raise an eyebrow. Maybe spending an additional 10-15 min every time might though. If its decompression diving its a whole new ballgame and all part of deeper diving. People then come up when they come up and that's just part of what deeper diving is. One cant expect people to hurry deco just because they are impatient, if someone gets the bends, well potentially that's the rest of the days diving shot for everyone as its dealt with.

I should have explained more about what I was getting at....in the deco spin for this, it was about a boat load of tech divers that AGREED prior to going out, that they would do a 25 minute long dive at 280 ( example), and then a few "opt" to stay down for 40 minutes, and are then forced to do a huge deco--meaning all the other divers have to wait an extra hour, and none can do the second dive they had planned.

In the recreational example....Charter boats in Palm Beach , will run a dive trip in the morning( a 2 tank dive trip), and then go back to the dock and run an Afternoon Trip...Some may even plan a 3rd Night trip....The NORM is that each dive is 1 hour long, max. Surface intervals are 45 minutes to an hour....For new divers reading this, if you did Breakers Reef, which is actually 37 feet deep on the large crown portion, and 55 feet deep at the bottom of the inshore ledge...you "could" manage a dive that was 60 minutes long, but you would have been expected to end your dive earlier so that the bottom time, plus the safety stop, will be 60 minutes or less. Someone like my wife Sandra could do such a dive with a single tank and have almost 2 hours of air for the dive, which would put her into deco if she was so thoughtless as to make everyone wait for her...which she would not ( she just makes us wait for her at the Blue Heron Bridge Marine Park --with her 5 to 6 hour dives there :-) ( shore dive).
On an 80 foot dive, you will probably be running low on air, long before you will reach your max allowed bottom time for no-stop diving...which means you will probably have plenty of time to do a long stop if you want, as long as you don't run your tank down to nothing on the safety stop.

But again, we are talking about "no-stop" dive planning...and as Thal said, this was mostly about preventing new divers from uncontrolled fast ascents to the surface from the bottom. It could also help prevent blasting up into the bottom of a boat overhead..... There were decades of people diving without ever actually doing a "stop" on a recreational dive, and they did not die like flies from it. They did tend to dive shorter profiles as new divers in the 60's and 70's, as they used steel 72 cu ft tanks, not 100's or larger. However, the tables were not as "fudged" for medically unfit people in the 60's and 70's.... 60 for 60 was a normal enough no-stop table plan back then.
 
Posting on this subject are divers with 0-24 dives, 2500 to 4999 dives, I just don't log dives (why?)
I selected the "I just don't log dives" because it seemed to fit. I started logging dives for training after 42 years of diving so I have an idea of the number but they are not logged dives. Oh yeah, I am not a fish, but would play one on TV if the price were right.

An unanswered question to the combined posters is "When did making a safety stop for a few moments (time varies) become requirement, or a suggested diving protocol?"
Who or what agency first initiated the requirement, or suggested a stop as a diving protocol?
SDM

The first time I saw it, I thought it was odd behavior but I didn't leave my instabuddy, that was back in '01. I mostly solo off of NorCal and with some geezers so I didn't catch up on the new procedures untill I did some training. Everyone has thir stories, but none of the instructors know squat about SCUBA history. Since my computer does not give penalties for missing the stop, sometimes I stop others I don't. A lot of my diving is off the beach so the upslope swim is mimicing the stop.



Bob
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I may be old, but I’m not dead yet.
 
someone wrote
In tec diving what we do is do our deco stops while remaining still because if you are more active, it is more difficult for your body to release nitrogen.

It is my understanding this is, in fact, wrong. Off-gassing is most efficient while doing light (emphasize light) work -- i.e., slowly swimming -- since this encourages increased and efficient blood flow and respiration, not to mention keeping blood flowing to all of your extremities.

BTW, how is a "safety stop" NOT a "deco stop?" Are you not off-gassing during a "safety stop?" If so, are you not decompressing at that time? Also, within the PADI RDP system, when there is a "mandatory safety stop" how can that not be a "mandatory deco stop?"
 
someone wrote

It is my understanding this is, in fact, wrong. Off-gassing is most efficient while doing light (emphasize light) work -- i.e., slowly swimming -- since this encourages increased and efficient blood flow and respiration, not to mention keeping blood flowing to all of your extremities.

BTW, how is a "safety stop" NOT a "deco stop?" Are you not off-gassing during a "safety stop?" If so, are you not decompressing at that time? Also, within the PADI RDP system, when there is a "mandatory safety stop" how can that not be a "mandatory deco stop?"

I have heard that before too. Light stretching and moving around helps off-gassing.


I think the critical difference between "safety stop" and "deco stop" is that the former is optional, and the latter is required. However I think a "mandatory safety stop" is closer to being the same thing as a "deco stop", but the wording is changed to be more clear to open water divers learning about safety stops.

The difference (IMO) between a mandatory safety stop and a deco stop is that a mandatory safety stop occurs by accident, while a deco stop is planned. Recreational divers are taught to plan dives withing NDL limits, and if something happens during the dive where they exceed this either by not paying attention, or taking a little more time to resolve an issue, their computer gives them a mandatory safety stop on the fly. A deco stop on the other hand is a planned stop even before the divers get in the water.

I think my definitions are splitting hairs somewhat, and I am open to criticism of them :)
 

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