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It was felt that the title implied that a big SAC meant a poor diver, and would encourage skip breathing.
Sometimes the opposite is in fact the case and a higher SAC can mean a better diver.

For example, if I am in a cave at 130 ft, I'd prefer not to be with a diver skip beathing to try to push the penetration a little farther and/or not be the guy who turns the dive. Skip beathing would likely mean he is more impaired by narcosis. Also, if the bottom were silty and there were low duck unders over a clay silt bottom, the odds are much greater that he will contact roof or floor due to an unwillingness to use lung volume to fine tune his buoyancy - as that will screw up the skip breathing pattern and use more gas - and silting out the passage may result.

So...If I lead our hero in and he skip breathes, at max penetration when the dive is turned, he will be at thirds, (maybe even busting thirds if he is a real idiot) will have elevated CO2 levels, more pronounced effects of narcosis, will be in O2 debt and we may both now have a couple thousand feet of silted passage to navigate on the way out. In that case our hero here will most likley be cutting well into "my" reserve third of his back gas. If something happens to my gas, there won't be enough of his for both of us.

In the end, I don't really care what his SAC is, I wouldn't dive with him again. That may not have been the case if he had breathed normally, had perfect bouyancy in a sawtooth section of cave, and turned the dive a few hundred feet sooner - all possible signs of a "better" diver that are not associated with an extremely low SAC.

It goes without saying that when I first meet a diver, if one of his self proclaimed strenghts is a real world swimming SAC below .6 and "he" is not a 98 lb female and/or if a low SAC is an obsession with him, the warning bells start ringing.
 
My tec instructor told me that divers with low SAC rates don't do as well when they transition to rebreathers (because, apparently, you need to breathe deeply and continuously on rebreathers for the breathing loop to function optimally).

As you say, SAC rate is a planning tool, not a measure of skill.
 
In spite that I'm already AOWD, I have only 31 logged dives.
As I'm a "new diver" I'm always paying attention to my SAC figures and I considered that my SAC figures were not so bad, however, looking forward, my SAC went to almost 1 the first 2 times I dove with dry suit in a very cold weather and cold sea water during a night dive.
However, last week I dove off the coast of South Brasil (here it's winter). The first dives were with an old guy (61 yo) whose SAC figures were very high, so we had to "abort" the dives in spite that I had still 80 bar in my AL80 tank.
The third diving day I dove with a beautiful woman with a lovely body and I was really impressed to realize that when we finished the dive I was with almost 50 bar in my tank and she had almost 110. We both have started the dive with 190 bar, both tanks were AL80. She has many more dives in her back than me.
During the night I commented this to another diver and he told me that women, specially those with thin bodies normally consume very little air compared to men.
 
OK, real life situation -- There is a dive at our "local mudhole" called the boundary line dive. You descend in shallow water and follow a rope on the bottom which is the "boundary line" for a "no-diver zone" around a fishing/water taxi pier and go from "Cove 3 to Cove 2." This can be a very fun dive -- starts shallow, goes deepish (100' or so) and ends shallow.

An "average diver" should take about 10 minutes following the line to get to 100', stay at depth about 15 minutes and then take 10-15 minutes to come back up to the shallows.

While NOT an "overhead" environment, because of the "no-diver zone" (and the real possibility of getting hit by a boat or snagged by a fisherman), we all believe there is a "virtual overhead" especially in the deep area of the dive.

Which do you think would be a safer way to plan this dive? Have an idea of your average (normal) air consumption rate so you can estimate how much gas you need for your times at depth OR just wing it?

BTW, a couple of years ago an "average diver" and her buddy did this dive without any gas planning (I've heard the buddy didn't believe in it), she went OOA and went on his octo and started to the surface. At some point she evidently panicked and bolted, embolized and died. Now she didn't die because of not knowing her SAC rate -- BUT, in the chain of events, HAD she known her SAC rate, HAD she done a "quick and dirty" calculation of expected air consumption, she would have known she didn't have enough gas in her tank to do the dive. IF she had done the calculations and then concluded the dive wasn't feasible, my guess is she'd be diving today.

As I asked in a talk I gave a while ago:

HOW MUCH GAS DO YOU NEED?
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Good post and great picture! Some inaccuracies regarding the example however. Her dive buddy wasn't a "he" and I have a hard time believing her dive buddy "didn't believe" in gas planning. Not knowing about gas planning I would believe.
 
The third diving day I dove with a beautiful woman with a lovely body and I was really impressed to realize that when we finished the dive I was with almost 50 bar in my tank and she had almost 110. We both have started the dive with 190 bar, both tanks were AL80. She has many more dives in her back than me.
Women with lovely bodies can increase your respiraion rate, but it is not necessarily related to diving. :D
 
where's the smilie tapping her foot while whacking a rolling pin against her hand?
 
Women with lovely bodies can increase your respiraion rate, but it is not necessarily related to diving. :D

This explains the increased air comsumption ....
Or this could also take my breath away.
 
Women with lovely bodies can increase your respiraion rate, but it is not necessarily related to diving. :D

Especially in Brazil.
 
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