Roatan Trip Report (West End + Coconut Tree)

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Thanks for the great report. I'll be going down to Roatan in two weeks. YAY! Can't WAIT! We are staying at Luna Beach Resort. I'd be interested to know if you have any opinion on that, but please don't tell me anything really bad as it's too late to change now and I don't want to be stressed about it...

I have a couple questions: you said:
we stayed at Lands End at the end of the road in West End
I understood Luna is somewhere between West End and West Beach - is it on the same road, or more isolated? I'm having a hard time finding a good map on the internet to orient myself.

Regarding your item 10 - (Bring your own bug spray) I've heard Cactus Juice is the only thing that works on the Roatan Sand fleas - Is that just a nasty rumor to get you to buy it? Did you have luck with OFF?

Lastly - any input on your favorite dives of the trip? Any that were too experience for you (we only have about 20 dives under our belts so far).... thanks again for the comprehensive report!
 
Shar34:
Thanks for the great report. I'll be going down to Roatan in two weeks. YAY! Can't WAIT! We are staying at Luna Beach Resort. I'd be interested to know if you have any opinion on that, but please don't tell me anything really bad as it's too late to change now and I don't want to be stressed about it...

Shar34,

Luna Beach is nice. It's down the bay between West End and West Bay. I'd say it is a 5 minute water taxi ride (you should only pay $1 per person or so) from West End. By road I would guess it is a 15 - 20 minute walk to West End, but it could be closer. I haven't tried walking it, but I passed it every day on our first trip.

The beach at Luna Beach leaves a little to be desired, but so do many of the beaches in Roatan. West Bay is about 5 minutes, also, by water taxi, and offers an excellent beach should you desire something a little bigger and better. Truth be told, if you are there for diving, who cares about the sand?

We dove with people staying at Luna Beach. None had any complaints to share, even when loosened by copious amounts of alcohol. You should be quite happy.

I understood Luna is somewhere between West End and West Beach - is it on the same road, or more isolated? I'm having a hard time finding a good map on the internet to orient myself.

Luna Beach is slightly past the top edge of the West End map shown at the following site:

http://roatanet.com/roatan-maps.php

Regarding your item 10 - (Bring your own bug spray) I've heard Cactus Juice is the only thing that works on the Roatan Sand fleas - Is that just a nasty rumor to get you to buy it? Did you have luck with OFF?

Lastly - any input on your favorite dives of the trip? Any that were too experience for you (we only have about 20 dives under our belts so far).... thanks again for the comprehensive report!

My wife is eatten alive everywhere we go. OFF (25% DEET) helps some. Please wash it off before going into the water - it's quite toxic and we like the coral the way it is. I haven't tried Cactus Juice - none of the insects bite me. I guess the high alcohol content used for protection against the Roatan Runs also keeps the bugs away.

As for dive sites - I am partial to Great Escape (right in front of Seagrape Plantation), the Aguilla (wreck dive), and Pablo's Place. If you decide to dive with Coconut Tree they will walk you through everything. The morning dives are only for advanced divers, so if you don't have an advanced card you can either A) get it while you are there or B) sleep in. The afternoon dives are fun dives (60ft) and open to all certified divers, but are nonetheless enjoyable albeit less testing dives. We prefer the morning dives, but any chance to get in the water is acceptable by me. You won't find much in the way of technical dives off Roatan, at least not as a tourist diver.

Lastly - the only other thing that comes to mind about Luna Beach was that the folks we were diving with found it cheaper to come to West End to dive. Luna Beach was charging something like $35 per dive, and I think they might have charged for equipment but I could well be wrong about that. Shop around and find a dive operator you feel comfortable with - do not be pigeonholed into thinking you can only dive with the place you came to. If Luna Beach has a good dive operation (I do not know), by all means dive with them. This is not meant to hawk our favorite dive shop, just to encourage you to be comfortable with whomever you dive with.

Have a great trip!
 
Thanks for the report....helps to keep us informed.
 
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If you decide to dive with Coconut Tree....... The morning dives are only for advanced divers, so if you don't have an advanced card you can either A) get it while you are there or B) sleep in. The afternoon dives are fun dives (60ft) and open to all certified divers, but are nonetheless enjoyable albeit less testing dives.

Coconut Tree divers limited diving profiles to 60 feet if you didn't have AOW? :confused:
 
RoatanMan:
Coconut Tree divers limited diving profiles to 60 feet if you didn't have AOW? :confused:

Yes, although there are a few exceptions.

This isn't quite as strange as it may sound when you consider the depth of many of the best dives in Roatan are within a 60ft profile.
 
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Yes, although there are a few exceptions.

This isn't quite as strange as it may sound when you consider the depth of many of the best dives in Roatan are within a 60ft profile.

You're preaching to the choir on that one. On the better dive sites off of Roatan, the best diving is no deeper than 45 feet, and it's micro spectacular, so yes- I agree on what you "should be doing". Stay shallow to see Arrow Blennies, Porcelain Crabs, Secretary Blennies, Sailfins, Spotted Eagle Rays, FrogFish, ToadFish and mopst SeaHorses and PipeFish... the unusual cool stuff.

But as to the dive-op that decides to limit your depth to 60fsw... except for "a few exceptions". Now I gottsta know- what are those exceptions and what makes them forget about "their" rules? Seems strange.
 
RoatanMan:
But as to the dive-op that decides to limit your depth to 60fsw... except for "a few exceptions". Now I gottsta know- what are those exceptions and what makes them forget about "their" rules? Seems strange.

Let me start by saying - I don't work there and I don't make the rules / policies. I do, however, agree with their policies as it made for some incredible dives.

What we have seen is that the morning dives are two tank "advanced" dives. These dives include swim-thrus, deep dives, wrecks, and so forth. To keep things somewhat even, they have, at least when we were there, limited these dives to AOW divers and OW divers who can show significant experience. It is not a "members only" club, nor would I say that it is a hard and fast rule. The purpose, as has been explained to me and as my wife and I observed in action, is to ensure a baseline level of diving experience for the more advanced dives to ensure that the divers are kept safe and that the dives are not spent tending to the care and feeding of new divers.

We have had OW divers on the morning dives, but usually with the inclusion of an additional DMT to watch over them and take care of them in case of issue. My wife and I both have AOW, but we still appreciate this added level of protection that Coconut Tree invests in keeping the experience safe and enjoyable for everyone.

So - is it a hard rule? No. Is it a good rule? In my personal opinion, yes. AOW is a card that simply means you've passed a very minimal baseline to satisfy PADI or other institutional rules. This is not the only means of getting on the morning boat, but is one method of screening out fresh divers. Coconut Tree has generally encouraged most of the divers we've seen to take an afternoon dive with them to evaluate the diver (if there is any question as to skill level) before putting the diver on the morning boat. The goal here, as we have seen, is to keep the morning dives humming along nicely without the incidents that can easily occur with new divers in unknown terrain or situations.

Based on your profile we both can see that you have several hundred times the experience diving that I do. I do not consider myself a truly "Advanced" diver, although PADI has provided me a nice piece of plastic saying that I am one. I keep further off the reef than many divers, and endure whatever is necessary to ensure that I never touch anything. There are OW divers with several times my experience level that would be perfect for an "advanced" dive. There are others, both AOW and OW, that are not experienced enough to be mindful of their surroundings or their own well being. I would prefer, personally, that their dive profiles be more conservative as they further their skills.

Coconut Tree does four dives per day, and five on days with a night dive. By splitting the dives between "Advanced" and "Fun" they can facilitate various levels of divers. My wife and I enjoy both the morning and afternoon dives equally. There's as much or more to see at 25ft at Pablo's Place as there is at 110ft at the Odyssey. That being said, if someone is going to have problems I'd rather be on a dive with more DM/DMT's ready to assist the panicing or distressed diver than one where the conditions are more challenging.

Bottom line, if a diver can control their buoyancy and has some experience diving, they can dive on either schedule (so we have observed). Those that are still learning the baiscs are generally relegated to the afternoon dives where they can be safeguarded and observed more closely by additional personnel and a more conservative profile.

Sorry for the long winded response, but this is one policy that my wife and I both truly appreciate and respect. At the end of the day, I want to see everyone we dive with have a safe and enjoyable experience - I personally believe this helps with both of those objectives.
 
I can answer that one, RM.

Coconut Tree tries to leave the morning dives for somewhat more advanced divers (folks who didn't get their OW cert the week prior). I hadn't heard the rule about having a AOW cert, but they did grill me about my diving experience before letting me go on the boat. The sites chosen require better boyancy skills and the dives are also deeper. Personally that rule is one of the reasons I dove with them. I like diving with better divers, and they have better stories for the surface intervals.

They can be a little lax on the rule however. I recall two brothers in particular who were a disaster in the water (couldn't equalize, bolted to surface due to a mask flood). Before the dive I had overheard them tell the shop their dive
experience and was surprised and disappointed the shop let them do a morning dive (just got OW cert).

As far as limiting your depth - they aren't the dive nazis -they get many divers with poor skills on the afternoon dives - people just in Roatan for a few days or less - that they expect the worst until they get to know you. I think even just bringing your own gear will show them.
 
This was taken from a PM between RoatanMan and myself. (My side of the conversation). Per his suggestion, here are some additional thoughts on the advanced vs. OW dives at Coconut Tree Divers.

I feel strongly in support of what Coconut Tree does and how they do it. They helped turn my wife from a nervous diver to a confident, careful, and proficient diver. Everyone has their own way of doing things, and I can respect that. Many of our friends with OW go to Bonaire and dive aggressive profiles to the full limits with only their buddy - that's great, and I wish them well. We enjoy diving in small groups (3 - 6) with the presence of a DM to help spot the tiny critters that we may not see otherwise. I don't think that our friends are wrong, necessarily, but I prefer to be conservative in our diving for the next few hundred dives at least.

PADI is too quick to give certifications, in my opinion. It is strange to me that I can have AOW with less than 100 - 200 logged dives. Diving is a skill, and one that I enjoy practicing, but also a potentially dangerous activity. The way that Coconut Tree handles the two different groups helps minimize the risks and has helped both my wife and I learned more about diving safely.
 
Got it... both you guys!

If only more divers had the sense that you two are talking about, we wouldn't have dive ops that would be checking people out so carefuly, demanding certifications and more.

stevefass:
I think even just bringing your own gear will show them.

Or when you drop your gear on the dock and they ask, "Can you still get parts for that stuff?"
 
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