Reg for twin set?
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Poseidon actually manufactures their own regulators at their own plant and not farm it to another factory?
I knew that DR used Beuchat for one of their regulators but, according to you, they seem to change the factory for each model they come out with.
Do you know or heard of "Aquatec" (www.scuba-aquatec.com) at all?
I think Landon laid it out pretty well.
Look, there are lots of good (and some not so good) brands in the market place. The consumer gets to choose.
We don't expect that every consumer will be best served to buy from us, that's OK.
I don't have the DR reg test results at hand, I have looked at them before and tested the reg from the OEM that makes it. I wasn't very impressed, my take away was it's good, not great. That said, I am sure that DR has added some of their touches to it, that along with how they do business will be a value add to the straight OEM reg.
One thing I am not gonna do is engage in comparing our regs to every brand out there. beyond the time factor, it just isn't cool. I try very hard to offer a outstanding product that more than competes in the marketplace.
If you really want to compare a Deep ^ product with the DR reg, the DGX by Deep 6 at Dive Gear Express is in the same category. The Signature isn't.
I don't like using words like 'better', as I believe there are many manufacturers that make quality product, including Dive Rite. Using words like better quickly leads to bashing, and I really try to avoid that, so lets focus on what is different.
@tbone1004 Already provided some information from his perspective, so i will try to add a little here that wasn't mentioned there.
Inside the first stage we use a special coated HP seat, which leads to a lower swing in the IP over the breathing cycle. This provides the 'smoother' cycle he is talking about, as there is less friction between the HP seat and the body, so the movement is quicker.
We also use teflon O-rings in some locations, which is a stronger more durable material than Viton.
Our diaphragm material is stronger, more durable, and thinner as well.
In the second stage we use a special turbine poppet that provides a better flow pattern for the air coming from the IP to ambient pressure, again something that contributes to the 'smooth' feel of breathing and flow.
Our Signature series regulator is a custom ODM design (not OEM) that Chris has been continually working on and improving over the years. By this I mean that this is a product based on years of experience and design on what we (and by this I mean he) think is the best we can offer, down to the smallest detail. Every detail is a custom design unique to this product and process.
Yes, we are going to offer an annual subscription plan. You subscribe to the annual plan, send your regs in for service when needed, parts and labor are covered under the plan.
We haven't put it up on the website yet, as it isn't required. We haven't hit the 2 year mark, and within that the service is free on us anyway.
Every reg bought from us at Deep6gear.com has the first service free on us. Any reg sent to us for service will get free parts.
We will be offering a service plan for purchase when we get past the 2 year point so that our consumers can save some money by buying a plan. Right now, no reg out there except a couple prototypes are older than 12 months, so service cost is a non issue.
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Poseidon manufactures in house. The Dive Rite reg was literally just a Jetstream with a special badge and an all black MK3 first stage. Nothing particularly special or custom about it, just a stencil.
The Hurricane was made by Beuchat, but that was it to my knowledge
IIRC Aquatec was the reg manufacturer for AUP, but I have no idea what the status of that now. I could be wrong. @cerich would know for sure though
Poseidon manufactures in house. The Dive Rite reg was literally just a Jetstream with a special badge and an all black MK3 first stage. Nothing particularly special or custom about it, just a stencil.
The Hurricane was made by Beuchat, but that was it to my knowledge
IIRC Aquatec was the reg manufacturer for AUP, but I have no idea what the status of that now. I could be wrong. @cerich would know for sure though
Did you leave out labor cost on yours for the service at the 4 year mark?
You also left out shipping costs to get the regs to/from you (I'm assuming you don't pay all that shipping).
Is your quote of $52.50 for kits the total price for all kits needed for a doubles reg set?
If you're going to talk about "free with a service plan" shouldn't you include the cost of the service plan in your quote?
Labor on the 4yr service plus shipping for 2yr and 4yr seems like it could easily put the total cost higher than the DR set. And, if so, then the difference becomes greater at every service after that.
For DR regs, through my local shop (standard, normal price of $35 parts and labor, per stage)
$749 for regs (doubles set)
$140 for parts and labor at 2yr
$140 for parts and labor at 4yr
So:
$889 for 2yr (possibly less than $835+shipping for 2yr service on Deep6?)
$1029 for 4yr
$1169 for 6yr
$1309 for 8yr
I don't really want to nitpick here. They seem very comparable on price and cost of ownership. It's my OCD that won't let me pass by when it appears that an incomplete "solution" has been presented and yields an incorrect answer - no matter how minor the difference is.
Also, when price and features/performance are very comparable, I will always choose to go through my local shop versus an online retailer. Online-only has to give me some real, tangible advantage, either on cost savings or better features/performance (that I can actually tell, not just be aware of "in theory") to take my support away from my local shop. When I bought my very first reg set (a Hollis single tank setup), I paid an extra $65 to buy them from my local shop versus what I could have bought them for online. Worth it, to me.
@LandonL @cerich
If you don't like the word "better," you change it to "special," "unique" or "more value" or whatever, just let us know why one should choose your signature product over the other guys (DR for example)
@cerich
If you aren't in a good mood or busy with other tasks, you can reply when you are good and ready
If you don't like the word "better," you change it to "special," "unique" or "more value" or whatever, just let us know why one should choose your signature product over the other guys (DR for example)
@cerich
If you aren't in a good mood or busy with other tasks, you can reply when you are good and ready
no and yes
what do you feel we haven't explained?@LandonL @cerich
If you don't like the word "better," you change to "special" or "unique" or "more value" or whatever just let us know why one should choose your signature product over the other guys (DR for example)
@cerich
If you aren't in a good mood or busy with other tasks, you can reply when you are good and ready
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