Reg for twin set?
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I think I have been completely truthful. I don't think the Tek3 regulator is "pretty terrible for doubles". I have not said it is better than any others. Others have a different opinion, and that is why there are many different models of regulators to chose from. The hoses do make 90 degree arc, but it is not like it is a square corner and I do not find it a disadvantage. I even mentioned that some add 90 degree pivot adaptors...how is that "withholding" information? The regulators are used in that configuration around the world on thousands of dives.
I am all for supporting your opinion against the Tek3s...but don't state I have been untruthful or that I am withholding information because you disagree with my opinion.
I don't mean to make it sound like you have been spewing lies or anything. I think you have largely been VERY fair in your statements about the Tek3s. The only thing you said that I had issue with was your final summary that:
As a summation of everything that you said, I think that statement is not true and at odds with the other stuff you said. If there was NOTHING wrong with them, you wouldn't have needed to say all that stuff about hose bends and using 90 degree adapters (which I think most people using doubles would counsel against simply for the reason of not having extra failure points - if you want that, then buy regs with the port configuration you want in the first place).
Anyway, I don't want to argue you with you. I said what I had to say earlier about that statement. The only reason we are now even having this discussion is JohnnyC's OT post about your experience. I DEFINITELY don't want to be arguing with you because somebody decided to go OT and stir up some crap. Like I said, I think you were generally very fair and balanced. I only had the issue with your one statement and felt like I wanted to clarify about that one thing for (hopefully) the OP's benefit.
As a summation of everything that you said, I think that statement is not true and at odds with the other stuff you said. If there was NOTHING wrong with them, you wouldn't have needed to say all that stuff about hose bends and using 90 degree adapters (which I think most people using doubles would counsel against simply for the reason of not having extra failure points - if you want that, then buy regs with the port configuration you want in the first place).
Anyway, I don't want to argue you with you. I said what I had to say earlier about that statement. The only reason we are now even having this discussion is JohnnyC's OT post about your experience. I DEFINITELY don't want to be arguing with you because somebody decided to go OT and stir up some crap. Like I said, I think you were generally very fair and balanced. I only had the issue with your one statement and felt like I wanted to clarify about that one thing for (hopefully) the OP's benefit.
Fair enough...and no issue or bad feelings.
I stand by my opinion that I feel there is nothing wrong with the Tek3s being used for BM doubles as I don't find the hose bend to be "wrong", unsafe or putting excessive wear on the hoses. Other models like the Scubapro MK25 or Apeks DST with 5th port remove that issue if there is a concern.
In the end, I would have zero issue diving BM doubles with almost any of regulators that have been suggested. I own and have dived Apeks, Scubapro, Dive Rites and Deep 6.
I stand by my opinion that I feel there is nothing wrong with the Tek3s being used for BM doubles as I don't find the hose bend to be "wrong", unsafe or putting excessive wear on the hoses. Other models like the Scubapro MK25 or Apeks DST with 5th port remove that issue if there is a concern.
In the end, I would have zero issue diving BM doubles with almost any of regulators that have been suggested. I own and have dived Apeks, Scubapro, Dive Rites and Deep 6.
I stand by for I said about TEK 3.
Some of my buddies are using them and that are their personal choice. I have no problem with that.
We all have different ideas on literally everything.
Very civilized discussions so far.
Cheers.
Some of my buddies are using them and that are their personal choice. I have no problem with that.
We all have different ideas on literally everything.
Very civilized discussions so far.
Cheers.
I wouldn't say we built in the cost, its more like a service we are willing to offer for free. Whether we did it or not, it wouldn't make any significant difference in the cost. Definitely not close to what an actual service costs to have done on your end.
Well, not exactly. I see situations similar to this in the medical field, where one blood sugar meter is $10, and another is $30, but the cheaper one has much more expensive test strips, so the actual cost of ownership is much higher on the $10 one over time. Significantly more expensive.
Thanks for the kind words. I think we should relate this to the statement above. What is total cost of ownership after you factor in the first service? You previously mentioned that you paid $105 to service a single set. So if you paid $749 for the regs, then another $105 for service, after two years your cost of ownership is $854.
Out of curiosity, why would you not take advantage of the free service offer if it is available?
Either way Dive Rite makes a great reg, I think you would be happy with either, the choice is really up to what the buyer is comfortable with, and we want them to go with what they feel is best.
Cheers,
Landon
In buying regs, I would be more inclined to look at the cost of ownership over at least 5 years. Not just 2. If you gave free service for life, then 2 years versus 5 years probably wouldn't matter. But when you only give the first service for free, doing a cost analysis for 2 years is really going to skew the equation in your favor. I don't buy regs to be replaced every 2 years.
I would not get the free service because I'm now a DM for a shop and I'm pretty sure they'll service my regs for no charge.
Even if I were not a DM, I would be looking at $105 for a service versus some amount of money for shipping, the risk of shipping, the risk of needing post-service service, and the total time I would be without my regs. I don't know what the shipping and insurance would actually cost me, but there is a good chance I would just pay the $105 to have it done locally and know my regs would have no risk of getting lost, could be done and back in my hands more quickly, and I could take them back to the service tech easily if there was anything about the result that I wanted changed. The last time I had my DR regs serviced, there ended up being some problem with one of the parts (from a new service kit) that was installed. After a couple of uses, I was getting severe IP creep. I took them back and they fixed them (installed another new service kit) - quickly and for no charge.
A pure financial analysis would almost certainly be in favor of sending them off for the free service. But, if it only costs me an extra, say $50, to have it done at my local shop, then I view that extra $50 as ensuring that my regs won't get lost, ensuring convenience if I need post-service service, ensuring I get them back sooner, and lastly, giving support to my local shop, which I really want to be around for a while.
Regardless of the above, I plan to do like a lot of tech divers and learn to service my own regs as soon as I can. Once I do that, I will service my own regs.
So, a raft of potential reasons that anyone might not take advantage of the free service offer.
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