Proper Finning Technique

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fairybasslet:
I'd like to learn all these other kicks I've heard about, helicopter, backing up. etc. There should be a class just in finning technique.
There is. GUE's fundamentals course spends quite a bit of time with kicks; explaining each one, laying students down on a table or the ground onshore (bring your own mat) to practice the various kick techniques, then has each student do the kick techniques underwater while on-camera. Reviewing the video helps each student see "good" and "bad" techniques, and results in each student learning the 5 or 6 different kicks taught in that course.

If you talk to experienced divers about inexperienced divers, the most common complaint is the manner in which inexperienced divers "roto-til" the bottom, leaving huge clouds of silt in their wake. This is because a bunch of divers with marginal bouyancy continue to flutter-kick away (which is all they've been taught to do), and each kick directs water directly down into the sand or mud on the bottom, sending huge clouds of sediment up into the water and silting out the site for all the other divers.

Along with bouyancy and trim, different kicks - and how and when to use each - is a seriously under-discussed topic in most Open Water courses.

Stick with the frog kick for most applications. And No, it shouldn't hurt.

Best,

Doc
 
Most kicks have their uses but unfortunately all too often the only kick taught is a flutter from the hip and divers aren't taught how to get trimed horizontal.

Some advatages to a flutter are that it requires little room side to side and you can get constant thrust (there is no neutral or load part of the kick cycle).

Some disadvantages are that when done as often taught (streight legs from the hip) water is pushed up and down as well as back. That means that a diver can stir up silt even when they are well above the bottom. The problem is even worse if the diver is trimmed head up (as is so typical). I've seen divers 15 feet off the bottom make a terrible mess below and behind them without ever being aware they were doing it. The high vertical hight of the kick also places the feet and lower leg outside the divers slipstream which help to eat up thrust gained from the previouse phase of the kick. The kick can be modified to be less distructive and probably more useful by assuming a horizontal, knees bent position where the fins never drop below the line formed by the horizontal divers mid section/knees.

From that position the diver can switch from that modified flutter to a frog, reverse frog or helicopter turn without any change in posture. BTW, part of a reverse frog amounts to putting on the brakes...you can use the kick to slow, stop or move back. Using a foreward frog with one foot and a reverse frog with the other will quickly pivot the diver (a nice tight turn) to any degree desired.

All of that can be done an inch or so off the bottom without stiring a thing. A good way to practice is to place your fist at about your breast bone and move different directions over something like a training platform with the bottom of your fist just skimming the platform and no other part of your body touching. go foreward, back, pivot, hold ect. If any part of your body other than your fist touches then you aren't horizontal.

To take it a step further, ascending and descending in the same position allows the most control over movement in all directions. by frog kicking foreward or backward as you ascend or descend you can maintain a constant distance from your buddy while looking at them through the entire ascent/descent. movement up/down is made primarily through buoyancy control. A quick frog kick provides the thrust to get in your buddies face immediately to respond to a problem. by contrast if you are ascending/descending head up as people are often taught, you must change positions in order to swim foreward...hence buddies drifting apart or into eachother and unable to move together quickly enough to respond to a problem if they needed to. To look up, simply look over your shoulder. If you feel the need to go vertical a few feet below the surface then do it but through the rest of your ascent it's your buddy you need to be looking at and NOT the stars (as most are taught) especially when you're still down deep.

Putting into practice some of these techniques will give you control over you're movement and position in the water that you probably never even imagined. Someone should put it in a class or something!

There are other kicks like the dolphin that I haven't found much use for.
 
Just a note fairy, as a rather infrequent swimmer :), I've found that the frog kick is somewhat similiar to the kick used in the breaststroke.

I've developed muscle memory I guess from doing the breaststroke so I find the frog kick pretty easy to do.
And as other posters have said it is less tiring!
 
The "right technique" depends heavily on the equipment...my freediving Dessaults are optimized for a long, slow, deep, from-the-hips flutter; wheras my Plana Graphites are best frogged...

It's like a toolbox. Pull the right tool (fin technique) out of the toolbox for the job at hand. The more techniques you are proficient at, the better diver you'll be.

I have 4 very different sets of flippers. Each one for a specific type of diving.

All the best, James
 
MikeFerrara:
Most kicks have their uses but unfortunately all too often the only kick taught is a flutter from the hip and divers aren't taught how to get trimed horizontal.

Some advatages to a flutter are that it requires little room side to side and you can get constant thrust (there is no neutral or load part of the kick cycle).

Some disadvantages are that when done as often taught (streight legs from the hip) water is pushed up and down as well as back. That means that a diver can stir up silt even when they are well above the bottom. The problem is even worse if the diver is trimmed head up (as is so typical). I've seen divers 15 feet off the bottom make a terrible mess below and behind them without ever being aware they were doing it. The high vertical hight of the kick also places the feet and lower leg outside the divers slipstream which help to eat up thrust gained from the previouse phase of the kick. The kick can be modified to be less distructive and probably more useful by assuming a horizontal, knees bent position where the fins never drop below the line formed by the horizontal divers mid section/knees.

From that position the diver can switch from that modified flutter to a frog, reverse frog or helicopter turn without any change in posture. BTW, part of a reverse frog amounts to putting on the brakes...you can use the kick to slow, stop or move back. Using a foreward frog with one foot and a reverse frog with the other will quickly pivot the diver (a nice tight turn) to any degree desired.

All of that can be done an inch or so off the bottom without stiring a thing. A good way to practice is to place your fist at about your breast bone and move different directions over something like a training platform with the bottom of your fist just skimming the platform and no other part of your body touching. go foreward, back, pivot, hold ect. If any part of your body other than your fist touches then you aren't horizontal.

To take it a step further, ascending and descending in the same position allows the most control over movement in all directions. by frog kicking foreward or backward as you ascend or descend you can maintain a constant distance from your buddy while looking at them through the entire ascent/descent. movement up/down is made primarily through buoyancy control. A quick frog kick provides the thrust to get in your buddies face immediately to respond to a problem. by contrast if you are ascending/descending head up as people are often taught, you must change positions in order to swim foreward...hence buddies drifting apart or into eachother and unable to move together quickly enough to respond to a problem if they needed to. To look up, simply look over your shoulder. If you feel the need to go vertical a few feet below the surface then do it but through the rest of your ascent it's your buddy you need to be looking at and NOT the stars (as most are taught) especially when you're still down deep.

Putting into practice some of these techniques will give you control over you're movement and position in the water that you probably never even imagined. Someone should put it in a class or something!

There are other kicks like the dolphin that I haven't found much use for.

Can I frame that and hang it on my wall?
 
MikeFerrara:
There are other kicks like the dolphin that I haven't found much use for.
Interesting thing is that when I took my OW, we spent some pool time practicing the dolphin kick ... and were told (it was even stated in our OW text) that the frog kick wasn't a very useful kick for scuba.

Go figure ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)
 
MikeFerrara:
There are other kicks like the dolphin that I haven't found much use for.
Every now and again someone loses a fin. A strap breaks, it gets kicked off, whatever. It can be disconcerting...

The dolphin kick can be moderately useful if you lose a fin. Cross your legs at your ankle, and use the dolphin kick with your single remaining fin. Its ungainly and clumsy, but it beats the crap out of trying to do a flutter kick or a frog kick with only one fin... ;)

Give it a shot in a pool with only one fin on, and see for yourself...
 
The flutter kick is a great introductory fin technique. If the trim is right, there is little silting... especially here in Florida. The frog kick is great in silty areas (especially in overhead environments) when you are close to the bottom and the dolphin kick is useful when you have lost a fin or if you are suffering cramps (you use your muscles differently).

However, the best finning technique is achieved by folding your hands and learning how to navigate up, down, left and right by using your breathing and your feet. Many, many divers tend to use their hands to adjust their attitude and direction in the water. This alone can cause a huge silt out, and tends to keep you in a heads up position. It will also consume a huge portion of the air in your tank as you need more air to feed the muscles in your arms. So intertwine your fingers and learn how to just kick.

BTW, if you find that you are consistently in a heads up position, slide that tank forward a tad. If your tail is too high, then slide it down some. When you think you have it, get as neutral as possible, fold your hands and ankles, close your eyes and count to 20. What's your attitude now? adjust your tank and weights a bit (small increments are best). Work your way to a 60 count and your trim is right where you want it.

BTW, my normal kick is the frog. I use less air and have better control than with the flutter. But if I need to get somewhere like RIGHT NOW, you can bet that I will switch to the much faster flutter to get me there!
 
Thanks NetDoc for the post.
Referencing your last paragraph there at times I feel the same way, that the frog kick isn't quite speedy enough for me, but I think it's down more to improper technique than anything. Still sort of new to using it while diving.

The flutter however is great at times when you positively need to zoom from point A to point B...
 

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