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I just got my MSD card and for me it's just the next step in my diving. It was certainly a goal but likely won't end there. I always find it hilarious how people talk about the MSD not being an actual course as you just need to pay for specialties and log dives etc however people fail to recognize that PADI's Advanced Open Water course is pretty much the same. The advanced course isn't really a course either. Sure you do a knowledge review and a few basic skills on each of your 5 adventure dives but really that's all it is: complete 5 dives which fall under PADI's tree of courses and as long as one is a nav dive and one is a deep dive then you qualify for the Advanced card and you are simply paying for a card. Think about the Adventure diver card too, all you need is 3 adventure dives and once you've done the 3rd dive you qualify yet how many people actually have that card. Most if not all just go straight to Advanced which is still only 5 dives with 2 required ones and you can do them whenever you want and wherever you want. Sure the Master card is the same too but the pre-requisites are higher and have much more value and actually add to your diving ability through the specialties you do and the number of logged dives you must have.

If you think about it after my 9th dive I was an Advanced Diver..............hmmmmmmm...........NOT!!! I certainly didn't feel like I was an advanced diver at that point just because I went on a few guided dives doing some basic "adventure" dives. I wouldn't necessarily say I'm a "MASTER" either as I still have lots to learn but what I would say is accurate is that I have Mastered the type of diving I typically do which is: high altitude, cold, low to no viz diving in a drysuit. When I went diving with my instructor doing my last specialty (which completed my 5th specialty and last dive to qualify for MSD) she was escorting someone on their first night dive who ended up having a run away ascent however we were both confident in my abilities that she could address the issue with the other diver and didn't have to worry about me due to the fact that I don't panic, and have my buoyancy and trim nailed down. It's comforting and rewarding to know I don't need anyone to hold my hand and micro manage me and that I feel completely capable to conduct myself accordingly while diving. To reach that point is rewarding and I feel I have mastered the type of diving I typically do and therefore deserve the title of Master Scuba Diver. Do I absolutely need a card to state that? No. However it goes on my CV and serves as an accomplishment and proof of completion and shows my willingness to follow through and complete what I started. You wouldn't goto University and take a degree and then at the end simply say "no I don't want the diploma I know I've accomplished what I need to and in my mind that's good enough" you take the diploma, frame it and proudly show it as an accomplishment.
 
The PADI advanced card, while few would argue that it is actually advanced and sometimes not much of a course, is still different than PADI mastercard which isn't a course at all. When you take a specialty towards master, you already get a card for it. You don't do anything extra to get the mastercard besides send in for the card, and likely no one but you cares that you have it. An AOW card you are at least getting for doing something, and it is a card that some ops will require for certain dives so it has a practical use.

I suppose the one little thing the mastercard means beyond the other cards you already got on the way is that you have done 50 dives. If they would put the specialties on the card that might actually make it a useful card (and maybe discourage using fluff specialties towards the mastercard.)
 
If you think about it after my 9th dive I was an Advanced Diver..............hmmmmmmm...........NOT!!

If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."
 
If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."

Unfortunatley, many operators round the world also don't read the certification properly. When I turn up with my BSAC Advanced Diver card I'm often asked if I would like to take Rascue or some other course. It completely throws them when I then produce my Advanced Instructor card.

However, the real test is during the checkout dive when the guide/instructor calls the dive because their low on gas and I've still got 100Bar.

Kind regards
 
If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."

I guess that goes for Open Water Diver as well, a lot of divers are certified without ever seeing open water. You can take the Scuba Diver course, which is more basic than OW, but now you have to hire a DM for dives, which is amusing to me since it gives you the ability to buy air. At one time the SD rating was the same as the OW is now and the OW actually meant something, times change.



Bob
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If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."

No one's ever put it that way. Outstanding. Perhaps now there will be no more threads about what AOW really means? (not being at all sarcastic about your post--being sarcastic about how often the topic comes up...).

Along those lines, since it came up in another post: So the MSD card says you have 5 specialties, Rescue and 50 dives. AOW card says you have MAYBE more than, but at least, your 4 OW checkout dives and the first dive of 5 specialties. Comparing the two proves something? Neither one is really a course by itself. MSD is a collection of courses and AOW is 1/4 of that. You have to do knowledge reviews for both AOW and the specialties you take for MSD. Where's the difference other that AOW gets you on more boats? Yes, the MSD card fee BUT, you get the certificate suitable for framing!!!
 
I guess that goes for Open Water Diver as well, a lot of divers are certified without ever seeing open water.

How do "a lot of divers" get OW certified "without ever seeing open water?"
 
If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."
So would you then also argue that someone who only holds an OWD certification is not a diver? :idk:
Because if all you've ever taken is Intro to Mathematics I, then that doesn't make you a mathematician. Or does it?
 
So would you then also argue that someone who only holds an OWD certification is not a diver? :idk:

I would merely type "no" but the system requires at least five characters, so I guess I will be unable to reply.
 
If you think about it, one of the prerequisites for AOW should be a reading comprehension test.

The name of the course is NOT "Advanced Diver" but rather "Advanced Open Water Diver."

Open Water is the most basic diving class available, so if one reads and comprehends the name of the AOW course correctly it is an advancement from the most basic diving. And is no more intended to make you an "advanced diver" than taking Intro to Mathematics II during your second semester of freshman year is intended to make you "an advanced mathematician."

While your point is made about the real meaning of the AOW name even in your example you called it "into to math II" not Advanced Math. I suspect that the same thing would happen with the math classes. Someone passing a course called "Advanced Math" would appear to the uninformed to have more math knowledge than someone having only taken "Into to math II".
 

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