PADI AOW: A total ripoff?

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Thrillhouse

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I've just completed my PADI AOW and all I can say is I feel terribly ripped off. Why? I'll explain.

For AOW 5 criteria need to be met, different specialties with "Navigation" and "Deep" as required, possibly "Night" as well. Anyway, I got my drysuit specialty done with my OW, did a night-dive at the cost of $50 extra with an instructor to have it count towards my AOW, then paid $200 to be taken down deep, to be trained in navigation, and to get my naturalist specialty.

Anyway, I read through the book and did the knowledge reviews. There are 30 pages of info on the deep dive, all of which could be compacted into 3 pages, bullet-format. In fact, the book goes so far as to quiz the student on why people go deep, as if it's not obvious enough already. There's also something strangely patronizing about how the book is riddled with photos of grinning, over-enthusiastic people scuba-diving, as if the reader somehow benefits from the photos of high-fives and thumbs-up. It seems PADI are more interested in selling a lifestyle than teaching a course on how to dive properly.

Next, the dives themselves were tedious. I was in Scouts and know how to use a compass. Telling us how in a classroom then having us do it underwater is not worth $50, and even for those who weren't in Scouts it's still something that can be accomplished in thirty minutes. The "Naturalist" specialty was the worst; $50 to be told not to "ride" seaturtles, smash up reefs, poke fish, or do any of the other no-nos already outlined in the OW course. Furthermore, the PADI book only lists a narrow number of tropical species, completely useless to anyone outside that region. The course also only asks for 10 species to be named, rather than anything remotely as ambitious as making a "naturalist" out of the student. I could have easily gone to the reef without cracking the book open and named far more than 10 species, having only taken that specialty as someone interested in them to begin with! I hoped for my $50 I would get to learn more, but I was mistaken.

Ultimately I do not feel like an Advanced diver. 50$ for the information that two lights should be worn, a glowstick and/or (eco-friendly) tank lights, and a slashing beam means 'something wrong' while a circular one means 'okay'? Ridiculous. I repeated $50 worth of information in one sentence, making me feel like a victim of Scientology for having paid so much for such info. Again, the book is terribly long-winded and seems to take the approach that the student has been living under a rock and is certifying his or herself; why would someone who's been diving out of a club and clearly enrolled in a course need to know why people night-dive?? If anyone had spent even a slight bit of time in the diving community they'd immediately know why. Why would you need to explain in the book why people check out wrecks? Is it not self-evident enough already??

I realize PADI are a great organisation, but I feel terribly ripped off and patronized by their course. I paid $300 for my OW, worth every penny as it taught me to scuba-dive. I paid $200 for my advanced which has for the most part taught me nothing I didn't already know. In retrospect I'd say the AOW is worth $50 alone with a minimum of 15 dives, rather than $200 and some minimal information with lots of convoluted reading in a book written at a grade-3 level.
 
1. Most people know AOW doesn't make someone an advanced diver. And it shouldn't be expected to. If many divers even with 100+ dives are not advanced why should you expect to make 5 more dives in a class and then instantly be an advanced diver.
2. The book is a little silly, but there is some useful information in it.
3. I don't think PADI AOW is a rip-off, your class may have been a rip-off, but a good instructor motivated enough can teach to the level of the student, and diving with a good instructor giving tips is definately worth it.
4. AOW is a way for newer divers to gain more experience under the watchful eyes of an instructor. Newer divers with good dive mentors can learn as much or more outside of an AOW class, but not everyone is lucky to have good mentors and AOW is a way for them to become better divers, if they have the right instructor.
 
The Adventures In Diving Manual is a tool used by a wide variety of divers, some with only 4 quarry dives under their belt and only straight line snorkel/shallow out and back compassing.

Since you joined SB have you followed any of the numerous threads on the AOW conundrum? Did you do a search for threads discussing AOW training? Did you ask any SBers from your area for recommendations on a good instructor or dive shop to do this course with?
 
I agree Diverrex if you have instructor that can pas on good knowledge you may get you moneys worth. I gave my instructor a great lesson on the invertabrates and vertabrates found in our lakes but he passed on some great knowledge of the other 4 specialties and was a great instrctor.
 
The Adventures in Diving course is ultimately 5 dives with a divemaster/instructor and each dive giving the student a taste of a little different scenario. It's really up to the instructor to give any added value to the course. The navigation and the deep dives are the only two required dives and the remaining three dive is up to the student/instructor to decide what to do. I personally like working AOW courses because I view it as just going out and having a good time. I go over the information with the student and we do what we need to do underwater. After that it's just sit back and have fun underwater. :) It's not going to make you an advanced diver. It just gives you some more time in the water. Unfortunately it's a prerequisite course to be able to take Rescue, which IMHO every diver should take.
 
I feel like the AOW course should be renamed .. OW II . There's nothing really advanced about it. Frankly, it's more about advancing your skills so you can enjoy diving more and get hooked.

Cost wise... a 2-tank boat dive runs about $100... 2-tank guided shore dives are not much less, perhaps $80. Students need 2 of those, plus a night dive ($65). That's ~$265. Add the book, classroom time, PADI charge for the card ($25) and the fact that they are not just group boat dives, but instructor led... and the $350-450 they charge isn't unrealistic.
 
Well You sound like you read the book or cd, If you go back to your open water book it will tell you all you have to do is submit 25 or 50 logged dives of this criteria in aow and PADI will send you a advance card,it cost a picture and some where around 15$.
The aow is for someone who needs it now or needs help,they want to teach anyone how to dive, not just smart people.
So now you know when you go diving on a charter or dive parks, you might think there just ignorant(not educated on what there doing) or plain stupid.
YOUR IN A BIG SUPRISE when you go to dive shops also. $$$$$$$$$

IF you really like diving Plan to spend 10 to 20 grand a year with that in mind things wont seem so blown out of proportion, I said I would stop spending 50,000 a year, The dollar is worth less now, It cost me 70,000 a year. I just live with it.

Go out and solo dive and you will see that you can teach yourself every part of diving if you want , cause waiting on a dive buddy will eventually make you quit diving. ask all the questions on here and decide what answer you want to use, these boards have shot con ed into the bottom of the drum.
YOU felt like you got robbed, congradulations your now a diver.
 
I felt that if I did it closer to the time I finished OW, It would have been more than worth it...Two years and about 40 something dives after It was just a means to get "the card" so I could get on the trips I wanted, and do some of the things I wanted to do. I learned some new things...Peak Buoyancy was helpful, Deep wasn't because I've been there, NAV was helpful because I never did scouts...and I still kinda suck with a compass...Search and recovery was just fun and the night dive was actually my second (or third) but I have the card, and the boats will now take me to the places I want to go because I have "the card"!

I chose experience first, but it didn't get me on some of the boats....
 
Someone, somewhere who gets lost at night with only light, may wish he/she had paid $50 to find out he should have a backup light--if he had never considered it. You may have already known everything, but some little tidbit of info that an AOW candidate learns just MAY save his/her life sometime. Or not. Most people learn a little something on every dive...
 
Thrillhouse, one of my biggest dissatisfactions with my OW/AOW/Deep specialty/nav specialty/boat specialty/ PADI education was that I felt that it was aimed at someone about 12 years old. (I except Rescue, because I honestly think the PADI Rescue course is an excellent class which almost anyone should take.)

This is one of the reasons I talk up GUE. When I took Fundies, I finally felt as though I was seeing diving taught as an adult subject. No comic relief, no funky Hawaiian shirts, and nothing sugar-coated or diluted to be palatable. Procedures with standards, instead of "any old way you muddle through earns you the card".

You are not the only person to have the reaction you did to the AOW class, although I have to say that, if you read very many threads about AOW, you should have been well prepared with what questions to ask and what to request from the class to keep it from being a waste of $300.

But now, go spend $400 on Fundies, and come back and tell us what your reaction to THAT is :)
 

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