PADI AOW: A total ripoff?

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Hawkwood, that's a good point... the books are targeted at an average or below average student. For bright individuals, much of the information will seem a restatement of the obvious.

If we think of AOW as OW II... then it ensures someone has 9 dives, has done at least one deep, and one night dive. I feel that is a better baseline for safety than someone who has done only 4 shallow dives, the first of which was a DSD follow the leader.
 
I've just completed my PADI AOW and all I can say is I feel terribly ripped off. Why? I'll explain.

For AOW 5 criteria need to be met, different specialties with "Navigation" and "Deep" as required, possibly "Night" as well. Anyway, I got my drysuit specialty done with my OW, did a night-dive at the cost of $50 extra with an instructor to have it count towards my AOW, then paid $200 to be taken down deep, to be trained in navigation, and to get my naturalist specialty.

Anyway, I read through the book and did the knowledge reviews. There are 30 pages of info on the deep dive, all of which could be compacted into 3 pages, bullet-format. In fact, the book goes so far as to quiz the student on why people go deep, as if it's not obvious enough already. There's also something strangely patronizing about how the book is riddled with photos of grinning, over-enthusiastic people scuba-diving, as if the reader somehow benefits from the photos of high-fives and thumbs-up. It seems PADI are more interested in selling a lifestyle than teaching a course on how to dive properly.

Next, the dives themselves were tedious. I was in Scouts and know how to use a compass. Telling us how in a classroom then having us do it underwater is not worth $50, and even for those who weren't in Scouts it's still something that can be accomplished in thirty minutes. The "Naturalist" specialty was the worst; $50 to be told not to "ride" seaturtles, smash up reefs, poke fish, or do any of the other no-nos already outlined in the OW course. Furthermore, the PADI book only lists a narrow number of tropical species, completely useless to anyone outside that region. The course also only asks for 10 species to be named, rather than anything remotely as ambitious as making a "naturalist" out of the student. I could have easily gone to the reef without cracking the book open and named far more than 10 species, having only taken that specialty as someone interested in them to begin with! I hoped for my $50 I would get to learn more, but I was mistaken.

Ultimately I do not feel like an Advanced diver. 50$ for the information that two lights should be worn, a glowstick and/or (eco-friendly) tank lights, and a slashing beam means 'something wrong' while a circular one means 'okay'? Ridiculous. I repeated $50 worth of information in one sentence, making me feel like a victim of Scientology for having paid so much for such info. Again, the book is terribly long-winded and seems to take the approach that the student has been living under a rock and is certifying his or herself; why would someone who's been diving out of a club and clearly enrolled in a course need to know why people night-dive?? If anyone had spent even a slight bit of time in the diving community they'd immediately know why. Why would you need to explain in the book why people check out wrecks? Is it not self-evident enough already??

I realize PADI are a great organisation, but I feel terribly ripped off and patronized by their course. I paid $300 for my OW, worth every penny as it taught me to scuba-dive. I paid $200 for my advanced which has for the most part taught me nothing I didn't already know. In retrospect I'd say the AOW is worth $50 alone with a minimum of 15 dives, rather than $200 and some minimal information with lots of convoluted reading in a book written at a grade-3 level.

Yeah... sad as it is to say, about the only thing most people learn that is of value from the off the shelf AOW classes is that if you get taught exactly what is in the book, you wind up short changed.

There are a few instructors that teach beyond the standards but you have to do a lot of asking to figure out which instructors do that. And it is a tricky thing to figure out since everybody always answers "we teach a really good AOW class".
 
But now, go spend $400 on Fundies, and come back and tell us what your reaction to THAT is :)

If anybody thinks that's too much, they should try and do the course in Europe, over here it's 500 Eur (or ~750 USD) just for the course, not including accomodation, venue expense, nitrox fills and etc.

This kind of pricing does leave a lot to be desired...
 
I keep reading similar statements on this thread as well as I have observed in other threads of the same topic.... 'that the PADI materials are very elementary and that they basically offer little detailed info. for the target group of users at that instructional level'....basically many are saying that they the reader already knew 'that stuff' prior to studying the materials provided for the class.
I am not going to say PADI or any recreational level manuals are super 'technical' or rocket science reading but they do offer the basics needs in an average understandable format for the masses. The text materials are just a portion of the of the educational process for any scuba course....practice and instruction are other key points and when all combined together hopefully offer the student a good solid presentation of the course materials.
I still have all my course manuals and even today find myself at times just looking back over them as a fun review and a walk down memory lane....we never quit learning and refreshing our previous knowledge.
 
Well You sound like you read the book or cd, If you go back to your open water book it will tell you all you have to do is submit 25 or 50 logged dives of this criteria in aow and PADI will send you a advance card,it cost a picture and some where around 15$.

Are you 100% sure of this? I am about to take AOW solely because it's a prerequisite for rescue and DM courses. The PADI website says only "AOW or equal certification from another agency" not anything about demonstrating experience and skills to skip the AOW course.
 
Are you 100% sure of this? I am about to take AOW solely because it's a prerequisite for rescue and DM courses. The PADI website says only "AOW or equal certification from another agency" not anything about demonstrating experience and skills to skip the AOW course.

Yes, if this is possible, please send me the link with detailed instructions. I have no problem with this approach, and I definetly don't lack logged dives, night dives, deep dives, or whatever kind of dives needed...
 
I did my Adv. OW (that is what is was called back then) as a way to get back into diving. It had been 7 years since I did any diving and figured instead of taking a refresher course I would do the Adv. OW and learn some new things. As I did this while at the university we had class time, pool time, open water time. Funny one of the exercises in the pool was tin foil in the mask and then go find your buddy. When I did my first tech course guess what I got to do - yup same thing except this time it was find my deco bottles and know which one was the O2 bottle and the other my nitrox. Both are important to know how to do in low vis. In both cases, I had a fine instructor. When I play DM for course like these I challenged the students - The instructor and I would hide a chest for the search and recovery and being around Halloween it was full of candy.

A friend recently asked my about taking the adv OW. My advise was because you are staying at a resort for a week see if they will add it on to your stay for cheap - some even do it for free, of course you get what you pay for. As TSandM said the rescue course is a great course.
 
In your case It's a little different your going futher in the con ed, so your instructor is the say so. If you are going to become a dm the instructor will want to take you through the con ed classes so when you help with classes you will be on the same page as him.
call padi they will answer any rules or changes, but I'm sure you can still get a aow card by submitting your experienced dive logs they would have to be signed by your dive buddys and I would suggest putting it on a padi dive log also,a computer log to back it up would'nt hurt. Its in my old ow book.
 
In your case It's a little different your going futher in the con ed, so your instructor is the say so. If you are going to become a dm the instructor will want to take you through the con ed classes so when you help with classes you will be on the same page as him.
call padi they will answer any rules or changes, but I'm sure you can still get a aow card by submitting your experienced dive logs they would have to be signed by your dive buddys and I would suggest putting it on a padi dive log also,a computer log to back it up would'nt hurt. Its in my old ow book.

I don't know what book you are looking at....but that is not the process with PADI and the AOW cert. level. You can apply your PADI Adventure Diver Certf. towards your AOW level certf.. PADI's AOW program is structured and not designed to just submit dive logs pages to PADI and a PIC fee to get the AOW card.
 
When I first did OW I pretty much finished and went straight on into AOW with PADI. I studied the Adventures in Diving book, reading the deep and navigation sections plus several of the other chapters that were interesting to me in detail not knowing exactly might be thrown at me. At the end I kind of had the feeling that I had over-prepared. But, it was still a learning experience, kind of a sampler platter of what is out there, but still under the eye of an instructor. So, at that time did it mean that I was more qualified with my new AOW card than someone with a 1000 dives and never took anything more that OW? Of course not. I think its designed to let a newbie diver experience some other areas of diving outside of kneeling on a platform demonstrating skills. Sure, the shop is also going to make a buck. Everyone gets upset about the "Advanced" word in AOW. Maybe redefining into previously mentioned BOW II. If it was called Continued Adventures in Diving, no one would care. Since starting, I've done a crossover to SSI, which also requires 4 specialties, but also a minimum of 24 dives to qualifiy for your AOW card. This seems to make sense, as you actually have to do some dives to get an advanced card.
 

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