OW v. AOW

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Not here either.

Stress and Rescue is really nothing more than a specialty course with SSI (although the only that is spelled out as being required for a Master Diver card or professional course). Theoretically, a diver could take it right after OW.
 
NetDoc:
I opt for more time in the water, and less time in the classroom. You can't teach trim and buoyancy in the classroom.
That part I agree with. I just think that there is too much "either/or" anymore rather than "both". As I said, I am not a full fledged instructor. I DO teach information technologies as a collateral duty at work and teach reactor operations on submarines. I am not thrilled with the trend toward online training in some cases. Without the re-inforcement of the instructor, students can get wrong ideas and not realize it.

Yes, I learned a great deal from homework and actually very little in my classroom on OW (I had already memorized the books and video when I bought them a month before the class, LOL). What I did learn were the "experience" lessons that my instructor brought to the table. We primarily used our classroom to get gear set up for the pool and learn nitrox (our shop teaches a nitrox cert as part of OW. It really drives home some of the issues with diving deep, too :) Our students understand Dalton's Law about as much as Boyle's Law.). On the constrast, I just got done watching what I thought was the best OW class that I have seen with the exception of our LDS owner (a former school teacher). The thing of it is that her students were excellent OW divers, but didn't have the specialty skills that I would think of when I say AOW.

When I mentioned it to our instructors, the answer was rightfully... "She's teaching a college class. She doesn't have the economic pressures of a shop over her. You try teaching that kind of class for profit and you won't be able to make it." The problem is that the comment was right on the money. In the real world, we don't have three months to teach an OW class anymore and that is a shame.

I guess that is part of my disillusionment with the industry. I understand economic pressure, but wish that we could actually take time with the students instead of worrying about these kind of choices.
 
Off topic but ... i tend to agree with Pete on using online or multimedia teaching aids. They are extremely powerful knowledge development tools which work great if used properly.

They shouldn't eliminate classroom sessions but rather, offer the instructor the option to streamline their face to face class time with the student. You can emphasize things which need to be emphasized for each individual class and not waste time on things which are already understood.

Nothing i hate worse than sitting through a lecture of material i already understand. This is especially without merit if all the students in the class have the same good grasp of the material prior to the lecture.
 
Walter:
The solution is teach independently.

It -is- the solution, but is it possible?

Students that will pay will be few and far.

Instructors will starve.

It would be the best way, though.
 
gedunk:
Off topic but ... i tend to agree with Pete on using online or multimedia teaching aids. They are extremely powerful knowledge development tools which work great if used properly.

They shouldn't eliminate classroom sessions but rather, offer the instructor the option to streamline their face to face class time with the student. You can emphasize things which need to be emphasized for each individual class and not waste time on things which are already understood.

Nothing i hate worse than sitting through a lecture of material i already understand. This is especially without merit if all the students in the class have the same good grasp of the material prior to the lecture.


Not so off topic.

In this day and age, anything that works, works.

Either the student ingests the knowledge, or doesn't.

Where it comes from is completely besides the point.
 
I am a PADI certified Divemaster and we have this discussion frequently. I agree in theory. AOW is a learning forum. It doesn't say they know a whole lot more than OW, they simply have tried a few things not offered in OW. Where we take student for their OW certification dives, we frequently take them on a night dive immediately after they have completed their training. The area is shallow (20-25 ft) and small (5 acres). We have several professionals in the water that know the area well. I do agree that there should be a few dives between OW and AOW certification, but 10 - 15 should be sufficient. No one should get both at the same time. In fact, I have never heard of that happening.
 
Keysdrifter454:
It -is- the solution, but is it possible?

Students that will pay will be few and far.

Instructors will starve.

It would be the best way, though.

compromise might be a better idea, othewise no instructors = no new divers = a dead sport
 

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