OUPV Limitations

[ComputerJoe]

Could a Wife be considered anything else but OWNER. You are the representitive even if you have that Masters License and think you are in control. You better get it straight WHO you are working for.

 

[divezonescuba]

My wife can do all the dirty nasty stuff that most captains would have a paid crew do. I don't have to pay her and I don't have to count her as a passenger. No drug testing and I can make her do the dive master duties too.

I knew there was a reason that I got married, now I know.

 

[ComputerJoe]

Boy, do you have a lot of learning to go through. We will see who owns the boat after the divorce.

 

[divezonescuba]

My first wife wanted to keep the boat and give me the note. Her lawyer couldn't get her to understand that it doesn't work that way.

In reality, I haven't been able to get the second wife to do any maintenance on her own boat that she bought new 6 years ago. I guess that makes her the boss.

What was I thinking earlier?

 

[The Kraken]

My wife can do all the dirty nasty stuff that most captains would have a paid crew do. I don't have to pay her and I don't have to count her as a passenger. No drug testing and I can make her do the dive master duties too.

I knew there was a reason that I got married, now I know.

You are, indeed, a poor, pathetic and severely delusional man in need of some serious psychological help!!!

the K

 

[Jon Nellis]

The understanding I have is that the crew must be paid and enrolled in a drug testing program and upto 6 passengers can be carried (paying or non-paying). If the boat is chartered by an individual or company and resells the spaces they have a commercial interest in the charter and can have an (singular) individual that can be onboard as the "individual charterer or individual representative of the charterer." This is the category that I put the dive instructor in. He has no responsibility for vessel operation or safety, but is the representative of (or is) the individual charterer and exempt from the passenger description.


Here's a link for the OUPV guide from MSO San Francisco

http://homeport.uscg.mil/cgi-bin/st...f?id=053d4e03702a98fad421fceb997d26d312e9c3ac




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[Dr Dive]

The issue of "who have any responsibility for the safety of the passengers" comes into play. The instructor has responsibility. If so, he/she must be card carrying and is "crew. Can't be responsible and non-paying at the same time. I can't see how you could stretch 11 people on a six pack charter and call it kosher.

As far as "enrolled" goes, you either have a card from a program, or you don't. You don't all have to belong to the same program, there are several, as well as people such as active duty military, who are involved in a more stringent monitoring program than many could pass. You are monitored, or you aren't. Just be able to prove it.

Capt. Jim
Dr Dive
www.drdive.com

 

[Tortuga James]

As far as "enrolled" goes, you either have a card from a program, or you don't. You don't all have to belong to the same program, there are several, as well as people such as active duty military, who are involved in a more stringent monitoring program than many could pass. You are monitored, or you aren't. Just be able to prove it.

Capt. Jim
Dr Dive
www.drdive.com

That is an area of total confusion and I haven't gotten a straight answer from anywhere. Around Morehead City, NC everyone seems to believe USCG regulations are that you have to be enrolled in the boat's drug program, not just "any" program. So it is tough for crew to float from boat to boat. That doesn't make sense to me, drug free is drug free.

 

[SPEARIT]

Like alot of the CG regs, it's all pretty vague and you're OK till you're boarded and the MSO's intrepretation is different than yours. During my boarding incident(I was reported by another charter outfit), the MSO(Morehead City, NC) intrepretation was that anyone over 6 passengers must be a crewmember of the vessel and the CG uses the vessel's drug program crewlist as a means of proving whether or not someone is a valid crewmember for that vessel, NOT JUST THAT THEY HAVE BEEN TESTED.
BTW, I was completely legal so no citations were written. I would suggest contacting the MSO for your area and get their intrepretation rather than going on how you read the regs. $20,000.00 is a pretty big fine if you're wrong.

 

[billvi]

And just to add to the conversation, you must have a Masters license to take passengers foriegn. A OUPV cannot take even one passenger across the border. And in the Virgin Islands across the border is very close. The enforcement of that rule caused quite a flurry of activity of Captains getting upgrades. So an Operator license (6-pack) is even more restricted than some people think.