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ItsBruce
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1. I really like both Peace and Magician. Short of a cruise ship and my own boat, Peace has the best food on the seven seas.
2. As far as safety rules, I was recently involved in a discussion about what happens when a dive trip is interrupted by a diver injury. There are a bunch of divers who pay good money to go out and do three dives. Some of the divers may be on vacation from far away. If the trip is interrupted because a diver is injured, the other divers don't get to do the dive for which they paid. Is that fair to them? Clearly, if it isn't the boat's fault, then there is no basis for a refund or a "rain-ticket" as the boat should not suffer.
Thus, there is a particularly good reason that a boat or charterer might want to set some fairly high safety standards and gate and return times.
I must, however, note that I personally do not see any reason why nitrox should not be allowed. The justifications cited do not persuade me. Unless the DM is checking and approving each diver's dive plan, I see no need for the DM to be able to check a plan based on nitrox. While there are a few more places where a diver could make an error in planning a dive on nitrox (error in analyzing gas, using the wrong table, looking up maximum depth or computing oxygen loading), those, IMHO, are insufficient to make nitrox risky enough that it might impair other divers' dives.
2. As far as safety rules, I was recently involved in a discussion about what happens when a dive trip is interrupted by a diver injury. There are a bunch of divers who pay good money to go out and do three dives. Some of the divers may be on vacation from far away. If the trip is interrupted because a diver is injured, the other divers don't get to do the dive for which they paid. Is that fair to them? Clearly, if it isn't the boat's fault, then there is no basis for a refund or a "rain-ticket" as the boat should not suffer.
Thus, there is a particularly good reason that a boat or charterer might want to set some fairly high safety standards and gate and return times.
I must, however, note that I personally do not see any reason why nitrox should not be allowed. The justifications cited do not persuade me. Unless the DM is checking and approving each diver's dive plan, I see no need for the DM to be able to check a plan based on nitrox. While there are a few more places where a diver could make an error in planning a dive on nitrox (error in analyzing gas, using the wrong table, looking up maximum depth or computing oxygen loading), those, IMHO, are insufficient to make nitrox risky enough that it might impair other divers' dives.
Empty V:
I don't know how I missed this post (Christian, r u to blame?:shakehead )
I volunteer to referree, as I am neither fond nor hateful to either
...I guess that makes me ambiguous...that will be my son's SAT word for the day 
I did not intend my OPINIONS of reefseeker charters to be anything but an OPINION. I don't like 'em, so I won't dive 'em. I agree they have very high safety standards and awesome DMs (I do LOVE Magnus and even John, a little
), but since I got bent two years back, I really like to have the added safety of diving nitrox (which I do based on reg tables while adhereing to MOD). Oh, AND they're SCUBA dictators :1poke: still love you Jan....
scjoe
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Reefseekers charters the Magician, Cee Ray and Great Escape. Only the Magician pumps Nitrox so that is the only time the dive shop's conservative view on Nitrox effects the diving community.
If Reefseekers could use a different boat, or if the other dive shops and/or dive clubs picked up some of the 10 days that Reefseekers uses the Magician there would be little to talk about. It is unfortunate that the only dive shop in So Cal that bans Nitrox on its charters, has about 1/3 of its trips on one of the few boats in So Cal that pumps Nitrox. I assume it is because the Magician is a nice boat. Still, it is only 10 times a year and there are other boats available for the Nitrox crowd on those days.
As has already been pointed out, the concerns about reading the tank or computing the MOD are rather trivial. The Magician's crew reads the tank and can show anyone how to use the idiot proof stick they use. If they don't have a table or the formula handy, it is not too hard for a DM to bring their own copy. I suspect the real concern Reefseekers has is someone who knows the correct MOD still violating it. Just one more thing that can go wrong.
Perhaps a compromise position is for Reefseekers to restricts its dive sites when chartering the Magician to those where a face plant in the sand can't violate a 32% or 36% MOD. Most people diving Catalina don't dive that deep anyway.
If Reefseekers could use a different boat, or if the other dive shops and/or dive clubs picked up some of the 10 days that Reefseekers uses the Magician there would be little to talk about. It is unfortunate that the only dive shop in So Cal that bans Nitrox on its charters, has about 1/3 of its trips on one of the few boats in So Cal that pumps Nitrox. I assume it is because the Magician is a nice boat. Still, it is only 10 times a year and there are other boats available for the Nitrox crowd on those days.
As has already been pointed out, the concerns about reading the tank or computing the MOD are rather trivial. The Magician's crew reads the tank and can show anyone how to use the idiot proof stick they use. If they don't have a table or the formula handy, it is not too hard for a DM to bring their own copy. I suspect the real concern Reefseekers has is someone who knows the correct MOD still violating it. Just one more thing that can go wrong.
Perhaps a compromise position is for Reefseekers to restricts its dive sites when chartering the Magician to those where a face plant in the sand can't violate a 32% or 36% MOD. Most people diving Catalina don't dive that deep anyway.
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