Okay... I'll start a new thread--On Tri-mix

Please register or login

Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.

Benefits of registering include

  • Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
  • A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
  • You can make this box go away

Joining is quick and easy. Log in or Register now!

Superlyte27

Banned
Scuba Instructor
Messages
4,710
Reaction score
4,221
Location
Florida
# of dives
5000 - ∞
So... I'm a commercial diver professionally and a cave diver recreationally. I've never dove Tri-mix because quite frankly commercial companies don't need no stinkin nitrogen. I am a surface supplied Heliox diver. I want to Dive Eagle's Nest and Diepolder sometime in the next couple of years. Anyone suggest a good Tri-mix computer? On the cheap.

Yes, I understand there needs to be a progression. Quite honestly, I came from the era where anything above 218' was doable on air. That's why I said "in the next couple of years".

Also, when reading the requirements for Diepolders it says "must have mixed gas certification by a qualifying agency". Does the ACDE count as a qualifying agency?

Thanks for the help.
 
So... I'm a commercial diver professionally and a cave diver recreationally. I've never dove Tri-mix because quite frankly commercial companies don't need no stinkin nitrogen. I am a surface supplied Heliox diver. I want to Dive Eagle's Nest and Diepolder sometime in the next couple of years. Anyone suggest a good Tri-mix computer? On the cheap.

Yes, I understand there needs to be a progression. Quite honestly, I came from the era where anything above 218' was doable on air. That's why I said "in the next couple of years".

Also, when reading the requirements for Diepolders it says "must have mixed gas certification by a qualifying agency". Does the ACDE count as a qualifying agency?

Thanks for the help.

Rather than invest in an unnecessary trimix computer, you could put that money into taking a course that would certify you as a trimix diver through an agency that is absolutely a qualifying agency for admission. It doesn't get much cheaper than a depth gauge and bottom timer for decompression instrumentation and being able to easily calculate your own decompression schedule underwater using your brain rather than an electronic one is free.

Planning a dive using software and sticking to that plan will help reduce the mental stress of unknown deco obligations provided by a computer. The ability to construct a deco schedule using ratio decompression, Fibonacci sequencing, or other methods of calculating deco quickly and easily on your own provides an additional reduction of stress, because if it becomes necessary to deviate from the plan, you can recalculate your decompression needs. Diving without a computer will allow you to make adjustments to your profile as you see fit based upon factors that the computer cannot consider. Doing so gives you the power and the freedom to decide your best strategy.

When diving in a team, divers with different computers can switch to gauge mode to stick together rather than have computers separate them. Since you may dive with buddies who don't use the same computer or algorithm that your computer uses, your dive computer may operate just as frequently as an expensive depth gauge and timing device as it does a computer. Opting for a simple gauge and timer saves on the high cost of a computer.

Some trimix divers seem to prefer computers because they are afraid of "chasing the run" when it comes to software generated tables. However, this really isn't an issue because slight delays in the ascent often act as a safety margin. You need to do all of your deco. You can be a little late, but being too early is a problem. For example, losing a minute here or there during an ascent will simply carry you from a nominal, to a +1, or a +2 or greater conservation factor on V-Planner.

If you really do want a computer though, your best bet is to buy used. Used computers are sometimes sold because the owners opt to switch to digital depth gauges and timers. Also, if you are contemplating a computer for trimix, you may want to explore the computer's usefulness with any rebreathers you may be interested in should you decide to go that route. That way, if you do invest in a computer, you will get more bang for your buck.

As far as admission into Diepolder goes, I don't think that a commercial or military rating would qualify since the methods in which gas is used in those fields differs from the methods used in sport cave and technical diving.
 
I don't know anyone that uses their computer for their deco. It is used as a backup timing device. The deco calculations are done before we ever hit the water and we follow our plan. Our planning is done with either V-Planner or the RGBM tables.
As far as computers go..... I hear the new Mares 3 gas computer is really nice. I have played with one in the store and it seems very user friendly with a color display and some great mapping technology.
 
X2 the you don't need a dive computer. Anymore than your tender uses one. I use my Uwatec in gauge mode along with a timing device and mechanical depth gauge. Spend the grand you would spend on a decent tri-mix computer on training. And, if you can afford the helium, and the slow ascent rates, go ahead and dive heloix in Eagles Nest. After the first few dives, you'll wish you had a helium recovery system.
 
I agree with everything you said except the first paragraph. My certification is as a "mixed gas diver" and If I could find the paperwork, I believe I am rated to 500'. Not sure, never needed to go deeper than say 275'ish. We know how to mix the gas, use the gas, be it tri-mix, heliox, or nitrox. But, in the commerical world where price is no object, we aren't adding air or air and oxygen to helium. We are simply adding helium and oxygen together. I'm quite certain of my skills in mixed gas diving. And quite certain my ability to write out a dive profile using any mix of gas without the aid of computer. I have a computer that will go gauge mode. I wasn't aware that tek divers were not using the computers to backup their tables and simple math. I very much would like to get into rebreather diving at some point, but price will delay me until this economy turns around.

Any other viewpoints?
 
I have a computer that will go gauge mode. I wasn't aware that tek divers were not using the computers to backup their tables and simple math. I very much would like to get into rebreather diving at some point, but price will delay me until this economy turns around.

Any other viewpoints?

At the risk of standing out from the herd, I use a computer for my decompression diving. I dive with people who also have similar computers and I also cut tables using desktop software to handle bailout. That way if either my rebreather or my computer fails I can revert to the tables. I know how to calculate deco on the fly but frankly I prefer to spend my dive looking at what I went there for and find keeping track of depths and times and running fibbinachi sequences in my head a little distracting:dontknow:
 
I agree with everything you said except the first paragraph. My certification is as a "mixed gas diver" and If I could find the paperwork, I believe I am rated to 500'. Not sure, never needed to go deeper than say 275'ish. We know how to mix the gas, use the gas, be it tri-mix, heliox, or nitrox. But, in the commerical world where price is no object, we aren't adding air or air and oxygen to helium. We are simply adding helium and oxygen together. I'm quite certain of my skills in mixed gas diving. And quite certain my ability to write out a dive profile using any mix of gas without the aid of computer. I have a computer that will go gauge mode. I wasn't aware that tek divers were not using the computers to backup their tables and simple math. I very much would like to get into rebreather diving at some point, but price will delay me until this economy turns around.

Any other viewpoints?

I think I would look at you with a hard eye if you showed up on my boat with a ADCI card for mixed gas diving and told me that you wanted to make a 275 foot O/C dive, that you'd mixed your own heliox, and were good to go. I wouldn't necessarily say you couldn't make the dive, but we'd talk further about it, as you would if you were the dive sup and I showed up on the barge with a brand new superlight 37 and my IANTD trimix card. They just aren't the same type of dive.
 
IMHO there are only 2 trimix computers worth considering, the Shearwater Pursuit/Predator and the Liquivision X-1.
(The phrases "good trimix computer" and "on the cheap" should probably not be used in the same sentence ;) )

I have a Shearwater,its an awesome computer. I follow it for deco on dives but always have some worst case tables with me in case the computer dies.
Probably would not bother with a computer if I normally dove square profiles, but for caves I find it very helpful.
 
2nd for the Shearwater. Like wedivebc I use a computer (actually 2) but they are in addition to tables and I use them so I can exit the water faster as I've never had a perfectly square dive like the tables calculate:dontknow:

So are you doing commercial helox with tanks? I'd think sufrace supplied. I'm sure the depth will not matter to you but I'd imagine there's quite a few skills you'll need to refine. And I've never added N to my mix because it was cheap, always as part of the plan I want to feel a certain way at a certain depth and make my gas to make it happen.

Sounds like you're looking at a pretty good jump wanting to dive eagle's nest and start CCR stuff. You're probably right with looking at a few years of training and tons of $$ to do it that fast.

Good luck.

Josh
 
I cut tables and run my profiles, but because I dive caves that don't have square profiles, and because I dive caves and passages that sometimes don't have known depths, it's not always a practical thing. I still cut tables for the unknowns and simply limit myself to a specified max depth and time, but if the passage doesn't go that deep or that long, then I don't feel like doing longer deco than I need to. While I can also run deco profiles on the fly, I like the back up of a dive computer to let me know I wasn't too narced while trying to plan a decompression schedule. And I don't always have a buddy around to verify what I just did.

All that being said, I dive the Nitek He. Unfortunately, it's not made anymore. You can occasionally find one being sold used. The last 2 I bought were in the $350 range (my wife and I each have 2). If you want to go new, I recommend the Shearwater Predator. And I know where you can get one for a good deal. The nice thing about the Predator is you can get one with a Fischer connector for future use with a rebreather.

As for the qualifying certs, unless you find a guide that is also a commercial diver (don't know if any of the guides are), you will not likely get by on your commercial cert. Most of us are unfamiliar with what that course entails, but we are familiar with what the recreational agency courses entail. And when it comes down to it, that's what it's all about. You can argue it and bring all your coursework with you, but as a guide, why bother when you can just take someone who has a plastic card that says they have completed the standards the guide is familiar with? I don't know what is involved in a commercial trimix course, but I'm willing to bet there are some skills in the recreational courses that you don't cover in the commercial course.
 

Back
Top Bottom