o2 cleaning or VIP done first?

[a878bob]

For you who service cylinders, which do you do first, O2 clean or VIP? I have a thought of cleaning my al cylinders myself and then having the VIP done. I would feel comfortable doing the cleaning myself, but not the VIP. I've read the O2 cleaning is first but would like some first hand info.

 

[maniago]

Clean all you want, but noone who does VIPs is going to give you an O2 clean punch out unless they do it. Not sure what you are thinking or trying to do.

In any case to answer your question, the way I do it is look in the tank 1) to see if there are any issues that need to be resolved (ie whipping or tumbling), 2) if so, then do that; 3) clean, 4) then do the certifying VIP. Obviously repeat 1&2 as necessary. If it doesn't clean up for VIP, stop and assess; repeat steps as necessary or condemn.

 

[tplyons]

The cylinder inspector is going to need to do the O2 cleaning; he won't certify it O2 clean unless he checks/cleans it himself.

 

[kwinter]

Clean all you want, but noone who does VIPs is going to give you an O2 clean punch out unless they do it. Not sure what you are thinking or trying to do.

Bull. I would inspect it and check for residue. But I also insist on the valve being cleaned and serviced. Do you really think that one shop should refuse to fill a tank with O2 just because a different shop did the cleaning? There's no difference to me just because there's a sticker on the tank.

 

[maniago]

Bull. I would inspect it and check for residue. But I also insist on the valve being cleaned and serviced. Do you really think that one shop should refuse to fill a tank with O2 just because a different shop did the cleaning? There's no difference to me just because there's a sticker on the tank.

Academic. Why would you have one shop O2 clean and another do the VIP? VIPing is easier than cleaning. Anyone who has the certs and gear to clean will be able to VIP. Not true the other way around.

In anycase, the comment is for the owner to clean his own tank and have a shop VIP it. And that makes sense to you?

 

[a878bob]

Academic ? Maybe ? What's the problem with that?

Nobody is as thoughtful, patient, and meticulous as I am with MY gear. If it's something I can maybe do better? I don't care what the sticker says as well, if it's not done right.
How many posts have we all read about the LDS, come on, not to think about it, really? Unless it's rocket science of course. Is that what your saying about cleaning a cylinder?

 

[maniago]

Academic ? Maybe ? What's the problem with that?

Nobody is as thoughtful, patient, and meticulous as I am with MY gear. If it's something I can maybe do better? I don't care what the sticker says as well, if it's not done right.
How many posts have we all read about the LDS, come on, not to think about it, really? Unless it's rocket science of course. Is that what your saying about cleaning a cylinder?

Dude, seriously, calm down. The bottom line is liability and Insurance Cos. Nothing else matters.

So unless you are certified to do cleaning, noone will fill your tanks....except you. And that's ok if you have your own compressor. There are no scuba police, and you don't need any certifications to go diving either.....by yourself.

But if you want to play with everyone else in the industry, go get the certs you need and then plead with an LDS to let you do your own under their stickers....if their insurance company will allow it.

You don't need training or a license to drive a car on the street. But you do indeed have a license saying you are trained to do so and an insurance company (to hopefully) stand by you. Right? Its all about who assumes the liability for your actions, not whether you can actually do it.

 

[Colliam7]

For you who service cylinders, which do you do first, O2 clean or VIP? . . . . I've read the O2 cleaning is first but would like some first hand info.

I can't speak for others. I do all the VIPs and O2 cleaning for a reasonably active shop. I VIP the cylinder, then clean it for oxygen service. No reason to VIP again after that.

If you brought me a cylinder that you 'said' you had cleaned for oxygen service, I would not put my O2 clean VIP sticker on it. Nothing personal, I just won't accept the liability unless I do it myself. Yes I could black light the cylinder. But, I still don't know what you did to the valve.

 

[rddvet]

I can't speak for others. I do all the VIPs and O2 cleaning for a reasonably active shop. I VIP the cylinder, then clean it for oxygen service. No reason to VIP again after that.

If you brought me a cylinder that you 'said' you had cleaned for oxygen service, I would not put my O2 clean VIP sticker on it. Nothing personal, I just won't accept the liability unless I do it myself. Yes I could black light the cylinder. But, I still don't know what you did to the valve.

I was just about to say that. You can clean the crap out of your tank with whatever you want and as long as there's no residue it would pass from me as oxygen clean. But only if I was rebuilding the valve. I can see in the tank. I can't see in the valve.

 

[maniago]

I can't speak for others. I do all the VIPs and O2 cleaning for a reasonably active shop. I VIP the cylinder, then clean it for oxygen service. No reason to VIP again after that.

Maybe just semantics, but I'll bet you blacklight after you O2 clean. What about flash rush check after you dry in steels? Thems VIP procedures in my book.

Potato, Po-tah-to.