Not everyone thinks cave diving is the pinnacle of SCUBA!

[ianr33]

Not everyone thinks cave diving is the pinnacle of SCUBA!

Not everyone believes the Moon landings were real.

What's your point?

 

[DaleC]

Hee hee, ian thinks there's a moon.

it's just a lighted panel in the dome...

 

[Centrals]

Depends What part don't you like? Puking tires me out.

Waiting!!!!
The deco bar can handle only a few divers at a time and everyone wants to dive first because the sea conditions can change very quickly.

---------- Post added March 3rd, 2013 at 05:08 PM ----------

If cave diving is indeed the pinnacle of scuba diving then the next question could well be in "what form".
Self sufficient(with buddy), solo, with/without vehicle, CCR, depth, distance, team diving(habitat, supply etc) and so on...?

 

[lowviz]

...//...everyone wants to dive first because the sea conditions can change very quickly. ...//...

The hunters want to splash first before the wreckers start banging on s&$t, -nobody gives much mind to the conditions...

 

[billgraham]

Waiting!!!!
The deco bar can handle only a few divers at a time and everyone wants to dive first because the sea conditions can change very quickly.

---------- Post added March 3rd, 2013 at 05:08 PM ----------

If cave diving is indeed the pinnacle of scuba diving then the next question could well be in "what form".
Self sufficient(with buddy), solo, with/without vehicle, CCR, depth, distance, team diving(habitat, supply etc) and so on...?

I don't know anything about habitats, but having done the rest of that stuff, it's all more difficult in caves than in open water and you learn a lot by getting it sorted out in that environment.

 

[boulderjohn]

I had an interesting chat a couple days ago about this topic with a well known cave instructor. He told me a story about a local man he knew well who was a self taught caver. The instructor kept telling him he needed some lessons, especially since he knew the guy was doing a lot of things that should have been corrected through instruction. The guy just laughed him off.

The instructor ended up being the one to recover the body. He still sees the man's widow and daughter from time to time. They don't blame him for the death--they know he tried to prevent it.

 

[Akroedge540]

I had an interesting chat a couple days ago about this topic with a well known cave instructor. He told me a story about a local man he knew well who was a self taught caver. The instructor kept telling him he needed some lessons, especially since he knew the guy was doing a lot of things that should have been corrected through instruction. The guy just laughed him off.

The instructor ended up being the one to recover the body. He still sees the man's widow and daughter from time to time. They don't blame him for the death--they know he tried to prevent it.

That's quite sad

Cave diving is dangerous, but I don't believe anyone can consider any type of diving the "pinnacle" it's all what you put into it. Each person has their challenges and with any scuba instruction it changes with instructor. In the end all diving is a lifetime learning endeavor. If you stop learning, that's when it'll bite you. Cave/open water/wreck/rebreather it'll kill you all the same.

 

[-hh]

Heck, did you ever run into somebody who hadn't thought about diving, and try to tell them they'd love it if they tried it? All of us who find something marvelous and exciting tend to try to pass that along to others.

Yes, but my non-diver wife will tell you that "ALL" divers obnoxiously jump right to the "hadn't ever thought of it" assumption.

And that's in flagrent disregard of all clues, such as the most obvious one that she's married to a diver. Unfortunately, we divers give her more and more examples ... year in, year out, like clockwork.

...As to the attitudes, I never experienced the snotty attitude issues...

Perceptional threshhold detection applies. For example, I personally consider the below to be an example:I

"...my buddy and I are cavers....we DON'T dive with leaky tanks...PERIOD....the DM is shaking his head and muttering about how picky we are."

Now the context of this was not for a cave dive, but for a very benign no-deco, no-overhead OW Recreational dive in current-free tropical warmwater.

YMMV, but I know that I've had plenty of OW Rec dives where I didn't thumb the dive because of some tiny O-ring squim of a leak, because the change in risk that it represents isn't significant vs other factors for that situation. And if it had been a 'big' leak pre-dive, well that's why I check my gear and carry my own spare O-rings: I'll quietly fix it myself without any handholding from a Staff DM or drama.


-hh

 

[NAM001]

I am thinking that the pinicle issue can not be answered so long as all wants to believe that thier perticular diving is them manliest of mandoom diving. So for me i would rank diving types acording to diving types that require teh magestry to conquest the risks, the degree of forgiveness when things go south and the degree of unavoidable accountability for consequence of ones actions. if theis were aronotics i wuld say

1. fighter piolot
2. corriographer poilot (crop duster, thunderbirds, ect)
3. commercial piolot
4. pleasure poilot
5. watcher of airplane series movies.

For the diving arena i would say

1. penitration exploration diving
2. penitration diving
3. rebreather diving open water
4. technical diving open water
5. deep diving
6. recreational diving
7. jaques custou fans
8. watchers of seahunt reruns


FIRE TRUCKS STANDING BY.

 

[MXGratefulDiver]

Cave diving is dangerous ...

... with proper instruction and adherence to the fundamental rules of cave diving, it isn't any more dangerous than diving an open-water reef. In fact, in some respects it can be less so ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)

---------- Post added March 7th, 2013 at 10:20 AM ----------

I am thinking that the pinicle issue can not be answered so long as all wants to believe that thier perticular diving is them manliest of mandoom diving.

... some of the best cave divers I know are women ...

... Bob (Grateful Diver)