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:banghead: We are not not going to get along today, are we? :D

And you're an official "greeter"? Sheesh, I know that I sure feel welcome.
No, I do that on Intros forum, but I've already invited you there, in addition to your worthy contribution here.

I posted my Info so anyone can readily see that I'm just a diver, certainly not authority on anything.

I meant to suggest that posting your Dive Info could add validity to your indeed valid contributions. Sorry if I did that poorly. If you want to remain an unknown entity :anon: with what strikes me as an antagonistic approach, I guess that's your choice. :chillin6:
 
...-besides question you?

DandyDon:
:banghead: We are not not going to get along today, are we? :D

No, we're not. At least not as long as you continue to include rude and insulting "smilies" in your posts to me- like bashing heads with hammers and banging heads on walls. I wonder how you would feel if I included a smilie of a happy face holding up his middle finger to you at the beginning of this post. Would it be OK if I added a happy face "just kidding" smilie at the end?

As for you being "just a diver, certainly not an authority on anything", Dog&pony is also a new poster. Perhaps he doesn't know you well yet, and hasn't read your profile. As I mentioned earlier, if you're going to post opinions on important matters in which you have little knowledge or experience, you might want to come right out at the beginning and say that it's just your unsupported opinion. Lots of people do it all the time in this forum. The people reading the thread might not know you well enough to know that you have little clue what you're talking about because you're "just a diver".

And as for you only being an official greeter on the Intros forum, you might want to reconsider your suitabilty for that position. Or at least if you're going to lash out and insult new posters simply because they question your statements in an area where you admit you're no expert, you might want to remove the "Greeter Team" label from your name before you go on the attack. Posting rude smilies to new posters is never friendly, even if you're "just kidding". And assuming a poster's desire for privacy by leaving their profiles blank is "antagonistic" is inappropriate for a "greeter", in my opinion.

Regards,

kelpie

P.S. I feel that I've made my point, and I'm happy to let it go. But if wish to post additional rude smilies or baseless accusations about my "antagonistic" motives when YOU have been the one who has been "antagonistic" in this thread rather than just dropping it, or better yet apologizing, then I'll be just as happy to continue to respond to your attacks.
 
Okay
 
kelpie:
Let's see if I understand what you're trying to imply.

It's my first post, so I lack "validity" here.

I didn't post an intro, so I lack "validity" here.

I didn't fill out a Profile, so I lack "validity" here.

In reviewing my post, it looks to me like all I did was ask you to clarify a position you have taken, and linked to an article on the DAN website- a website that DOES seem to be considered "valid" on this board- that seems to refute your blanket condemnation of Sudafed with nitrox. Yet you seem to question MY "validity" in this thread. Just how "valid" do you have to be to ask a question and be worthy of an answer, Dandy? And along the same lines, how many posts does a board member have to make, and how much information do they have to have in their profiles before their posts are absolutely beyond question like yours seem to be? However many posts and how much information YOU have?

In my humble opinion, you would increase YOUR "validity" if when you post your own personal preference and opinion as medical advice and then aren't ready to support it with even "limited facts", you label it as such.

When you can't answer a question, attack- or "bash" as your smilie suggests- the asker and change the subject, right Dandy? And you're an official "greeter"? Sheesh, I know that I sure feel welcome.
Hey Kelpie,

Let me start by saying that it is not my intent to throw gasoline on a fire here, but that I wish simply to add a third party perspective to what seems to be more of a misunderstanding than anything else.

You sound intelligent to me in your posts and I wouldn't even have bothered to write this if I thought otherwise. To be clear, I am neither trying to start an arguement with you nor trying to fight someone elses battles for them. It's just that from the outside, this simply looks like a series of miscommunications.

I think you may have misunderstood the intent of Don's original post to you. In my opinion, you've read way to much into the smilies. It's just his style to toss smilies into his communications. What a smilie means to one person is not always the way another person inteprets that same smilie.

When I first started reading through this thread, it seemed to me that Don found value in your post and was simply inviting you to post a "Hello" in the Introductions and Greets forum, so that the rest of the board could give you a friendly welcome there. By the way, Don did say in his original reply to the original poster that he needed to see a doctor for professional advice. To me that implies that Don is not offering his opinion as an expert.

After reading the whole thread and trying to take all of Don's statements in context, I think I see where this whole misunderstanding started. Don used the phrase "give yourself validity" when the phrase "give the members of this board an opportunity to add context to your posts" may have been a better choice of words to convey what he meant. For all we know, you might be an MD specializing in Hyperbaric Medicine. That would "color" the way we read your post and add context to it for our own understanding. I know you don't really "know" Don, but he's really not the type of guy that just goes around launching personal attacks on people. I think anyone who's been around this board for a while would agree.

Later in the thread, I think you have actually misread this statement of Don's completely.

If you want to remain an unknown entity with what strikes me as an antagonistic approach, I guess that's your choice.

He doesn't say that "having a blank profile" is antagonistic, but that your "approach" strikes him as antagonistic. In context, I clearly see the approach he refers to as being the post which I have quoted at the beginning of "this" post. You've got to admit that it does sound a bit atagonistic. That coupled with a blank profile, might appear to an onlooker that you are trying to troll him into a conflict. However, keeping things in perspective, and given your understanding of his original post to you, I do find it understandable. In addition, let me clearly say that I do not think you are trolling, but that I think you were simply defending yourself from what you perceived as a personal attack. Hopefully, you no longer see Don's post in that light.

I see this whole thing as an unfortunate misunderstanding that it would have been nice to avoid, but things happen.

Do you think it's possible that I'm seeing this with clarity? Does it appear to you that this may indeed, simply be a misunderstanding born out of miscommunication?

Respectfully.

Christian
 
I appreciate your comments and the time it took to make them, headhunter. I have to admit that Dandy Don stomped on a couple of hot buttons when I read on the internet. Let me explain.

You're right, Dandy's use of the phrase "give yourself validity" was indeed very unfortunate. Unfortunate because he was just plain old wrong. Dandy seems to think that having a profile filled out and having made over 1000 posts lends credibility to a poster. And I would agree with him to some extent if that poster was providing information without corroboration, and all of the readers were well familiar with his track record in previous posts. But I'll bet you that not all readers of this board are as familiar with him as you are. For example, Dog&pony is a new poster. Should Dandy assume that Dog&pony has read most of his 4700+ posts and just "know" that he's trustworthy because he's been around a long time? Or should he assume that Dog&pony has read his profile and already knows that Dandy is "just a diver" and his information isn't based on any real knowledge? Neither, I would say. Anyone can post 4700 inane and irrelevant messages, and many people who are "just divers" give excellent advice worthy of close attention. IMHO, we can all be wrong at any time, and each post stands on its own. If we make a statement that is questionable, we should either answer the questions or retract the statement- NOT attack the questioner for asking.

And he implied that the converse was also true. He seemed to me to be saying that my post LACKED "validity" because I had not filled out a profile, hadn't introduced myself, and hadn't posted as long has he. As I asked him, how long do you have to post here to be able to ask a "valid" question? Personlly, I would say "once", but he seems to think differently since my question apparently lacked "validity" in his view. Now I did also provide additional information in my post. And Dandy is right, how can you know to trust a new poster? That's why I posted a link to a generally trusted source that anyone could check. I didn't EXPECT anyone to trust a first time poster.

But I could have filled out my profile so you'd know to trust me, right? Yes, as you surmised I am a specialist in hyperbaric medicine with many years experience. After teaching hyperbaric theory to John Haldane in my early years as a university professor, I went on to show Emile Gagnan how to build a self-contained breathing apparatus with a pressure regulator (an idea that my former best friend and diving buddy Jacques-Yves Cousteau later took credit for- curse his name!). I run the busiest hyperbaric research and treatment facility on the planet, and all the other hyperbaric specialist that are worth anything call me to ask my opinion. I just turned down the post of Secretary General of the UN to accecpt my new position as the head of DAN. In the past I posted on a now defunct French language scuba message board where I had made thousands of well respected and admired posts. And yes, that's all a lie. Every bit of it. Profiles may be "friendly" for people out to socialize, but they are worthless in determining the "validity" of a post or a poster that intends to convey information. It's just too easy to make things up and SEEM important on the internet. His point about my question lacking "validity" because I hadn't met his arbitrary and irrelevant criteria was WRONG and he deserved to be called on it.

You say it's just "his style" to "toss" smilies into a thread, and I misread them? OK, you tell me. How do I "read" the smilie-directed at me- of one happy face bashing the other with a hammer? Is that Dandy smashing me, or me smashing him? Or was it totally irrelevant to the discussion? In any case, it was RUDE and grossly inappropriate. What about the smilie knocking his head against the wall- also directed at me? How did I misread that one? How would you read my example smilie of the happy face raising his middle finger at YOU in this response?. Would you think kindly of me if someone came along later and said, "Oh, that's just kelpie. He meant it in friendly way." I think not. It would be RUDE and uncalled for, and worthy of a critical response. Dandy should be MUCH more careful about what smilies he "tosses" into a response.

You're right, I did misread Dandy's comment about the "unknown entity with an antagonistic approach" thing. (Hey Dandy, see how easy it can be to admit when you're wrong? You should try it some time!) But I must counter that I was NOT being "antagonistic", I was being defensive because DANDY was being antagonistic.

My initial question to him was certainly pointed, because I disagree strongly with his position, but pointed is not "antagonistic". I even made an effort to help him out by giving what I think is the correct answer to my question in the post. I thought that was pretty nice of me. If he had simply responded along the lines of, "Gee, DAN's a pretty good source. I had no idea that they thought Sudafed was OK to use with nitrox with appropriate precautions, and it had never occured to me that blanket condemnations of using Sudafed with nitrox are uncalled for. I personally choose not to use Sudafed with nitrox, but before I ever tell anyone else again not to do it, I'll give them the whole story and a more balance view. My bad. I was wrong." And if he had gone on to say something like, "Hey kelpie, that was a good question, and a great link. Welcome to the board. Why not introduce yourself, fill out a profile, and stick around for awhile?" without any uncalled for comments about my "validity" that would have been nice. He could have even included a simple happy face smilie with no worries. Smilies are poor excuses for good writing, and as you say, easily misunderstood, but this is a scuba board, not a creative writing board. I would have just said thanks and let it go.

But that's NOT what he did. He posted what I believe was BAD medical advice using his profile, his long posting history, and his semi-official capacity as a member of the "Greeter team" to lend unwarranted "validity" to his advice to a new poster. And when he was asked to provide more substantial "validity" to his post he ignored the question and instead launched into an attack on MY "validity" to post including what I can ONLY perceive as rude and insulting smilies. You know, I think I have darn good reason to be defenisive since I gave him no reason in my initial post to be so antagonistic towards me.

You say that this is not the real Dandy Don. Ok, maybe he's having a bad day. I might be having a bad day too, and don't really appreciate his "welcome" to me here. If he's such a nice guy, then I suppose we'll see an apology from him soon, wouldn't you think?

Thanks for your input,

kelpie

By the way, I certainly apologize to Dog&pony and other readers of the board for hijacking this thread to defend myself against Dandy's attacks. I just feel that people that are attacked publically should defend themselves publically. And like I said, I'll be happy to drop it if there are no more questions or comments that I feel that I need to explain. Hey, and where are are the regulars who should be chastizing their buddy Dandy? Being nice and doing it by private message, I guess.
 
Oh my gawd? He can out talk me any day of the week. :fork: = don
 

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