No Science Zone

[JohnN]

John, I'm confused. Why post for a discussion when you not only have all the answers, you have the attitude to insult those who don't agree 100%. Why did you even post? Just to get validation of your unshakable opinion? Perhaps the need to convert the non-believers like the JWS that come to our doors. Your attitude is not capable of changing anyone's mind. It actually has the opposite effect. I will avoid sea save posts in the future. Dive safely.

Cheers !

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came fo/r the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

--Martin Niemoller

 

[tilikum]

Ok Drrich, before we go any further, are you a young earther or old earther? If you say young earth, then any other discussion on issues of science is pointless.

 

[diver0008]

So what about someone who believes humans contribute to part of the change, but are skeptical of the practical magnitude of it, of our current grasp of that magnitude, and of what can & should be done about it? What of those who believe we're seeing a natural trend in climate change, perhaps in addition to what the human race is causing? How much does that impact how we should react?

Yes! This!

 

[JohnN]

I am a Christian and believe that God brought about creation. In just what way, to what extent time frame has been accurately or inaccurately interpreted and by which parties, I don't know all the details. Given that death is currently a reality for all biological organisms, and the genome subject to alteration (e.g.: in response to mutagens), natural selection & genetic modification over time occur.



So what about someone who believes humans contribute to part of the change, but are skeptical of the practical magnitude of it, of our current grasp of that magnitude, and of what can & should be done about it? What of those who believe we're seeing a natural trend in climate change, perhaps in addition to what the human race is causing? How much does that impact how we should react?

Just because someone agrees humans impact climate doesn't mean he/she will fall in line with all other who think so.

Richard.

You do love to dance around the perimeter of topics, without taking a stand.

Let's make it really easy for you.

Do you believe in the literal word as printed in the Bible (you pick the translation)? (please specify)

 

[diver0008]

John, I'm confused. Why post for a discussion when you not only have all the answers, you have the attitude to insult those who don't agree 100%. Why did you even post? Just to get validation of your unshakable opinion? Perhaps the need to convert the non-believers like the JWS that come to our doors. Your attitude is not capable of changing anyone's mind. It actually has the opposite effect. I will avoid sea save posts in the future. Dive safely.

I wonder if he realizes that behaviour like his contributed significantly to Trump being elected.

No one likes being spoken down to.

 

[diver0008]

Do you believe in the literal word as printed in the Bible (you pick the translation)? (please specify)

Ok, now you are taking things way too far.

 

[Gr8WyattWhale]

Her come the pitchforks and torches

 

[drrich2]

I haven't been around long enough to have personal experience of how old the human race, or the planet, are. I accept the Bible as truth; I've learned over time some things shifted a bit in translations, and don't know to what extent some interpretations of original Scripture are accurate, or to what extent some aspects may be metaphorical.

Some topics I dance around the perimeter of without taking a stand because I don't as yet have the definitive knowledge of the specifics to justify taking a stand, so I remain open minded. Those who accept the existence of God as portrayed Biblically can accept the pliability of reality and natural process in His hands, in a way that atheists won't.

Richard.

 

[Skeptic14]

The difference in your analogy though is that the theory of gravity hasn't been politicized, at least in the last few hundred years! Regardless, I do agree on the use of good science! Hence my challenge to directly critique the current studies on climate change!

Sure, climate science is highly politicized, and by both parties with different agendas. My entire point in this thread has simply been that the oft used "97%" statement is bad... really bad, and it does a disservice to everyone.

Not better links, better science. Dummies and dupes appear to have a plurality of climate change deniers

It feels like we're discussing evolution vs. creationism (hello Richard ) of whether the earth is flat again.

Please tell me again, you had a point you were trying to establish?

Like I said... climate science has become a cult/religion for some and elicits the same irrational, overboard, and defensive reactions at the mere possibility of someone disagreeing with your holy doctrine. You are so eager to argue you can't take the time to read and comprehend a super simple point and instead keep trying to steer people toward an argument they have no interest in having with you but you clearly yearn to have with anyone. And when you can't get the argument you want, you then start throwing out tangent arguments to troll for another possible participant. Wow.

Although in this case it actually is. Either you are a denier, or you acknowledge that humans have contributed to climate change. It truly is that cut and dried.

Sigh... and herein is again my entire point, the renowned scientist "deniers" I referenced all have said that the climate is changing and humans have some contributing affect, thus the highly vague 97% statistic, but they are still labeled deniers because they disagree when bad science is used and with false predictions of impending doom.

I find it highly ironic that two of you are so eager to attack someone for being religious and yet you two are displaying far more irrational defense of an idea that you feel is beyond scrutiny...

 

[Skeptic14]

John, I'm confused. Why post for a discussion when you not only have all the answers, you have the attitude to insult those who don't agree 100%. Why did you even post? Just to get validation of your unshakable opinion? Perhaps the need to convert the non-believers like the JWS that come to our doors. Your attitude is not capable of changing anyone's mind. It actually has the opposite effect. I will avoid sea save posts in the future. Dive safely.

Exactly, a little bit cultish no?