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Hi there just recently joined up to scuba board.com as most of my queries for any scuba lead me here anyway so i thought i should sign up!

Basically not a very experienced diver only logged 14 dives so far but am enjoying it like nothing else before!

I am currently working on starting my search and rescue once i have the minimum requirements and then through to dm with my intructor who has no become a close friend since
i dropped everything and moved to dive (previously living inland).

My main question or interest is how people have found diving as a career and what paths there are. I mean i read constantly of various amazing jobs and different paths that can be obtained but what i really want to know is can i continue doing what i love and use it to sustain enough money to live. Is it as good a reality as it seems? Either way im still going to try my hardest to push it! but just interested :)

Any advice is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Rhys McGann
Narooma
NSW
Australia
 
Welcome to diving and welcome to scuba board! How exciting for you to follow your bliss as a career path. Like every field of work, the scuba field is very competitive. I know many people who obtained work in a scuba retail outlet while progressing through their dive training, and that is what I recommend to you. As you get more dive experience and progress to professional ranks, know that at the dive master level you won't make any money unless you have a job guiding dives at a dive resort or destination. However, most dive leaders are also instructors. Once you are an instructor and have some experience, the options are to be an independent instructor ( very hard to earn a living), affiliate with a local dive shop and teach there (part time at best), work and teach at a local dive shop, sign on for seasonal work with a liveaboard, or go to a dive destination somewhere on the planet and work as a an instructor/dive leader and crew member. There is no question that if you acquire captain credentials ( which takes alot longer and more hours than becoming a scuba instructor), your job possibilities will be VERY GOOD. If I had the freedom of youth, I'd head to a beautiful dive destination once I had my instructor credential, work to get the hours and training to become a captain, and live happily ever after above and beneath the sea! Being on scubaboard will help you make connections. It's all ahead of you. Have a great ride!!
DivemasterDennis
 
One of the first things to consider...... Don't just do the minimum to reach the professional levels. In the professional levels, you are typically working with students & new(er) divers. These place their trust (sometimes too much) in their instructors. Needless to say, it is an awesome responsibility. Ask yourself this question,.... would you trust a loved one with an instructor who only did the minimum to reach their level? Take your time. Get as much experience in different environments as you can (warm water, cold water, clear water, murky water, calm water, strong currents, freshwater, saltwater,.......). Do lots & lots of dives just for fun, but with a goal to learn something new on every dive. Don't be in a hurry, relax & enjoy! You want to bring as much experience as you can to the table for your students. I, in no way, want to dampen your enthusiasm, I just want you to realize, in order to be the best diving professional you can be to future students, the minimum requirements rarely cut it. Don't settle for just getting there on the minimums, become the best that you can possibly be. Being good friends with your instructor is a good start. Learn as much as you can, ask questions. Also, if you can, get in with other instructors & see what they do. Instruction is not a "one size fits all". You may find a different approach may work better.Expand your horizons, by doing more than the bare minimums, it will do more for you, your future students & the sport as a whole.
 
Remember, qualifying for the scuba requirement of any job is the easy part. Remember you are also competing with lots of people who want the same job, how will be on the top of the list? Some ideas were offered: a captain's license is valuable. Some other things really help: IT background (have you seen how many dive shops/boats have websites that haven't been updated since 2008?) Language skills (having a niche makes money) Mechanical skills, especially diesel and compressor background helps.

Lets face it, you can't throw a dead cat without hitting a scuba diver in Oz, but the other skills aren't usually available for what scuba pays. So what do you bring to bargain with & what are you willing to do?
 
There are many paths - education, retailing, publication, manufacturing, travel/tourism, military, scientific research, commercial. If what you want to do is teach others how to dive, then there are dive retail stores, dive liveaboards, dive resorts, children's summer camps, plus more. The more entrepreneurial you are the more money you will make. Work hard, increase your skill set, be positive, make lots of friends in the industry, be willing to do absolutely anything to gain experience, dream big.....and good things will happen.
 
wow thanks everyone for all the replies incredibly lucky to have such resource. Theres one thing i dont want to do and thats be underdone in any part of diving that i want to teach or undertake objectives with. I want to be as experienced as i possibly can before undertaking any large responsibilities. Like you said stormdiver i wouldnt want anyone to be taken out by anyone without extensive experience even if its overkill for the task.

I guess in diving theres no such thing as overkill as far as experience comes. I want to be as well rounded as possible and as attractive as possible to any employers so this info from all of you is really giving me a better idea so thankyou. I have a long way to go in recreation diving but one day i dream to be part of some large scale team based operations. Theres nothing like teamwork and strong objectives. I think for now that aiming towards getting as much skill in boating and DM and instructing is going to be useful in anything in the future. As far as aiming for that dream of team based objectives i have no idea at the moment...maybe like salvaging jobs or something? im not sure of the possibilities it would be amazing but probably quite hard to acheive. I love that ive come across this board i mean to have people who have done over 2000 dives give advice is amazing.

Theres one thing that im struggling with at the moment though. as jill said i will do anything to learn more and more but im finding it hard to get myself in a position where i can dive as freely as i would like. I mean im even considering saving up as much money as possible and just taking leave over summer to just dive. Let me know what you guys think!

Once again thankyou so much for the replies!

PS. If its not to much to ask would you guys like to share what you are currently doing as far as diving goes? would love to see where you are at!

Rhys
 
The more diving you do, the better. You asked what diving we responders do. I get in an average of two dive destination trips per year, doing 10-15 dives on each, and I am usually in local open water training 4 weekends per year, with about 6 dives each weekend on average. In between I am in the pool doing discover classes or other work once or twice a month throughout the year. For the record, I am a 58 year old attorney who has a full time law practice and I do a lot of writing and appearances to promote books (including our Scuba Snobs book). Diving is a "professional" hobby, and the thing that keeps me going. My wife is also an avid diver, which means we are on the same page when it comes to recreation and vacation planning!
DivemasterDennis
 
Make sure to get in as much diving between training as possible. There's no need to go straight from one course to the next. Enjoy diving for a bit before going onto your next course. Dive for you.
As far as diving goes, I try to get out on average once a week, to a local inland site at the very least. I have yet to take any nice, tropical dive vacations (diving while working in the tropics doesn't count as a vacation), but I have been diving in the UK quite a bit since I moved here in March. A lot of that for me was getting used to the conditions here (cold, low vis, drysuit, etc). If I'm at an inland site, I'll do a bunch of skills with my buddy, as well as bimble about and have a bit of fun while doing it. If I'm in the sea, it's all about having fun. No skills on a sea dive.
My advice to you is get out and dive, with a buddy that's not an instructor (or if he is not acting in an instructor capacity). Do some dives for fun, work on the skills you've already learned, get comfortable in the water. Once you're comfortable and confident, take another course, and progress further in your diving.
 
Sounds like you got it all sorted out there Dennis! Did some hard yards in law though by the sound of it. I like the way you have found a balance. I think all i need to do is dive as much as i can only thing is my instructor has become a close friend so and off course dives i usually go with him and a couple other in our group hes sortoff letting me do my own thing now but its good to have someone with that experience but i guess i need to get used to not having that luxury!
 
Hi Rhys...

I've posted a number of similar replies to questions such as yours but am always happy to help when it comes to advice on a career in diving. I sold my car, my motorcycle, my TV and - er - my house - to become a dive instructor and I do not regret it for a single second. As I always say, there are some serious downsides to making career out of being a dive professional, but for me and for many others, they are far outweighed by what we actually get to do.

Firstly, make sure you really understand what you are letting yourself in for. Unless you work full-time in a popular diving destination, you are not going to make enough money to earn a living, but fortunately, many of those popular diving destinations are in tropical "developing" countries where living expenses are pocket change to the cost of existing in Europe or America. You're Australian and therefore live in a popular diving destination and I also lived in Cairns for 6 months in 2008 so I know it is possible to earn a living there, but not if you want to live in a big house and support a family.

I actually recommend finding an internship at a busy Career Development Centre. I went through an internship at such a place in Thailand and eventually ended up working at the same centre teaching DMs and Instructors. Yes, it was a "zero to hero" program, but it was 6 months of daily diving, guiding less experienced interns, assisting with courses, staffing boats when qualified to do so, and then starting a career in teaching by conducting courses from OW - to DM in the presence of an experienced instructor who is "teaching" your MSDT certification (all of our interns were required to team teach at least one of the courses and each of the 5 specialty ratings they needed in the presence of one of our own experienced staff instructors).

I've been doing this for 6.5 years now, full time, around the world, and the experience you get working at a busy centre, often with different instructors, is invaluable. I consider large DM and IDC classes a benefit, because you learn from your peers, and there is a competitive aspect to multiple-person courses which drives many candidates to perform better. I have direct experience of both large classes and personal 1-on-1 training, and I am not alone in believing that the big classes are better for the professional courses. When it comes to OW training, small class sizes are preferable, but for the professional courses, having other people around you gives you more experience by default.

Consider the length of time you want to do this. If you wish to make a career of it then you need to head towards Course Director, or look towards eventual management, assuming you want to live in a proper house and drive a car without holes in the floor (like my little Suzuki Jeep thing in Curaçao). It is possible to earn a comfortable living in tropical locations; I know it is, because that's what I do, but you're not going to be rich unless you get into ownership, and this is not an easy thing in established locations.

Location is important - where do you want to work and what do you want to do? I am an experienced instructor but my main function in my current job is as a dive guide and I actually prefer this to teaching. Some people prefer teaching to guiding. Do you want to work in the tropics and meet interesting people and cultures, or prefer to stay in Oz and base yourself there? Languages are very important for dive jobs worldwide. If you work in Australia and can speak Japanese, you can earn a fortune, and in general it's the most important thing you can have on your CV/resume.

The more you can do, the more valuable you become, so I recommend minimum instructor rating if you want to earn money. There are DM jobs available but often they are unpaid in return for training and experience - but can DM and Teach and do Office work? In multiple languages? Yes please!

Apart from the technical skills you need and the knowledge you need to acquire, you need to have a modicum of charisma, a decent sense of humour, and a whole eternity of patience if you want to work full time in the dive industry. You're an entertainer. People need to know they can respect you and rely on you for your wisdom and experience, and even the bare minimum of 100 dives to become a PADI instructor is 100 more than a new OW student, but they also want to have a good time and be entertained on their holiday, so you need to come across with both humour and authority as well as the ability to provide competent and trustworthy instruction.

Ultimately, as a dive professional, you hold the lives of other people in your hands. In the worst case scenario, if you screw up badly enough, somebody will die. It's happened. Practically speaking, it's a very rare occurrence, but it's a responsibility you have to accept and therefore a training environment that exposes you to that responsibility under the direct supervision of a more experienced instructor is, in my experience and opinion, very valuable. I appreciate the fact that others will disagree, but it worked for me and it worked for a lot of the interns that I subsequently taught.

No apologies for the rambling post - it's an important and life-changing decision, and above all you need to be passionate about what you do.

Hope that helps - any questions along the way please feel free to ask.

Cheers

C.
 

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