New Hog/BP-W: What gets clipped where for rec setup?

[tank29]

Hello folks! I was hoping to solict some thoughts and opinions on common recreational setups for a Hogarthian harness on a BP/W setup.

This will be my first BC ever, in large part because of all of the positive things I heard here. I went with DSS's setup and I can't wait to get it in the water! But I'm trying to figure out what is typically clipped where on this harness. My understanding is that the SPG goes on the left hip ring, but what about the rest? I was thinking about a rolled up SMB on the butt clip, but I'm not sure about that. Oh yeah, where do you clip off a standard octo on this harness?

Any advice?

Thanks!
Dave

 

[timle]

The problem with a rolled up SMB on the rear clip is unrolling. If you can get it bungied nice and tight it might not be a problem. I started with my SMB tucked under my backplate between the backplate and backplate pad. Since then I've ditched the pad and moved the SMB to a pocket on my thigh.

When I dove my BP/W without a long hose primary. I clipped my backup regulator to the right shoulder D-ring. Now I use a long hose with a backup around my neck. The long hose primary gets clipped off to the right should D-ring when not in use/hanging out at the surface/walking/etc.

 

[crpntr133]

Alot depends on where you want it. You could use a octo holder and probably put the octo anyplace you want. A necklace is probably the most used option when diving a BP/W. I wouldn't do a bolt snap but have seen it done. Clip it to a d-ring.
SMB...the positions are endless. Most I think will say that they clip it to the plate and stash it beneath the wing. You know, the "you can't create any more drag or you will die" theory. I have seen them where a d-ring was added to the tank band and the SMB was clipped there.

Good luck.

 

[WallDiver77]

Hello folks! I was hoping to solict some thoughts and opinions on common recreational setups for a Hogarthian harness on a BP/W setup.

This will be my first BC ever, in large part because of all of the positive things I heard here. I went with DSS's setup and I can't wait to get it in the water! But I'm trying to figure out what is typically clipped where on this harness. My understanding is that the SPG goes on the left hip ring, but what about the rest? I was thinking about a rolled up SMB on the butt clip, but I'm not sure about that. Oh yeah, where do you clip off a standard octo on this harness?

Any advice?

Thanks!
Dave

Could you please tell me your first impressions on your new DSS setup? I'm just about to order one. Describe what you bought....what wing, BP, did you go Hog or the Pro Harness setup?

Like you, I'm not too concerned that I stay DIR compliant! I plan to replace the P. inflator with my Tusa IR-3 inflator/octo combo if possible (haven't check to see if it's compatiable or not yet). I don't have to worry with where to hang my octo then.

Thanks!

 

[Nemrod]

One issue you may have using an AIR II type device with many wings is that they have very short hoses and the hose rests high on the shoulder just reaching down to the shoulder D ring when properly positioned. This is correct I am told and it makes sense. Therefore it is unlikely you would be able to use an AIR II without adding a longer inflator hose and longer corrugated hose.

In my Hog-ish rig, note the short inflator and it's positon as it lays out compared to the upper D ring of the Hog harness. Your not going to be placing an AIR II there.

The square knot/fisherman knot or the new Manta necklaces are the best way to stow your octapus. When using a single hose set up I do donate the primary and I do breath the long-er hose which is a 40 inch hose under my right arm. In my double hose rig I run the 40 inch hose still under my right arm but necklace it and it of course is donated.

I don't think the DSS will sit much different on the harness. Perhaps a longer set of hoses could be supplied which might be cumbersome with a wing. Wings are very different from the jacket type BCs in this regard.

Daytona 500--GO TOYOTA

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[Nemrod]

Here with old custom all metal Voit MR12s. The longer hose is the primary and the short hose is the octapus. It bungees at my neck. The longer hose routes under my right arm and the little brass clip is used for surface interval only to keep the second stage from banging around. The short hose octaps goes over the shoulder. The ScubaPro B&G spg clips to the left waist D ring. Not saying it is correct, just what I am doing these days.

In the pic the longer 40 inch hose appears to be the upper routing but it is just twisted over the other one back behind the strap--oops.

N

 

[halocline]

If you have standard rec hoses, like 24" for the primary and 30-36" (can never remember that one) for the alternate, you can run the alternate under your right arm and clip it on either chest D ring, whichever works best for you. If you have an "octo holder" sometimes it works best on the left chest D ring; the natural pull of the hose combined with the coupe of inches on the octo holder will put it right in the middle of your chest.

The SPG clipped to the left hip D ring works best if you have a 24" SPG hose; much shorter than the typical rec guage console hose. Another option I've seen people do is to run the SPG over your left shoulder, right along side the LP inflator. I don't do that, but I've seen it and it looked pretty streamlined.

 

[dsteding]

In my double hose rig I run the 40 inch hose still under my right arm but necklace it and it of course is donated.

Nemrod,

How do you go about donating the necklaced 40 inch hose in this scenario? Do you pull it free of the necklace or do you take the necklace off?

 

[*Floater*]

Hello folks! I was hoping to solict some thoughts and opinions on common recreational setups for a Hogarthian harness on a BP/W setup.

This will be my first BC ever, in large part because of all of the positive things I heard here. I went with DSS's setup and I can't wait to get it in the water! But I'm trying to figure out what is typically clipped where on this harness. My understanding is that the SPG goes on the left hip ring, but what about the rest? I was thinking about a rolled up SMB on the butt clip, but I'm not sure about that. Oh yeah, where do you clip off a standard octo on this harness?

Any advice?

Thanks!
Dave

The typical DIR or Hog setup would be:

- SPG (on 24" or 26" hose) clipped to the left hip d-ring,
- backup reg (on a 22" or 24" short hose) under chin on a bungee necklace,
- primary on long hose (5-7') in mouth, but with boltsnap to clip it to the right shoulder d-ring when not in use,
- backup lights clipped to shoulder d-rings and held from dangling with inner bike tire rings or large o-rings,
- SMB under backplate pad (if you have one) or bungeed under or to the side of the plate, or in a thigh pocket,
- wetnotes, spools, etc go in thigh pockets, they are clipped there to bungee loops at the sides of the pockets. (The DIR way is to have the utility equipment (wetnotes, etc.) in the left pocket and backup or safety equipment (backup mask, etc.) in the right pocket).
- don't remember where the camera goes, I think it was the right chest d-rings when not in use.

And in general it's better imo to have everything routed cleanly and nothing dangling.

 

[Nemrod]

"How do you go about donating the necklaced 40 inch hose in this scenario? Do you pull it free of the necklace or do you take the necklace off?"

Not to side track to much but if you use a fisherman knot/square knot of the bungee around the octapus mouthpiece it will pop free when tugged. I really like the new Manta necklace, 10 bucks for something I can make myself but it so purty and sleek. The Manta also fits over the moutpiece and pulls free with a gentle tug. No, you cannot secure the bungee under the moutpiece nylon strap or it will requir a more vigorous tug to free. I would not do it that way or use a metal clip. It must be free to donate with nothing that will keep it from coming free quickly and easily with no thought or effort required. This was mentioned because while not many use a double hose, many (most) divers do donate the octapus rather than the primary--if you follow-- and either way the break away necklace works fine. N