New Fast-Attack Nuclear Submarines to be Named Arizona and Oklahoma

[Jared0425]

We are. Not revisiting them, but first ones deployed in 2028.

News to me. I got into a debate with my uncle today who served on the USS Little Rock and USS Wisconsin who says that they need to bring back two of the Iowa's for heavy bombardment roles. I showed him some videos of what they look like on the inside in places where tourists can't go and showed him they weren't coming back. They stripped most of the museums in the 80s looking for parts for the things. Especially for the turrets.

Arsenal ships is the way to go for heavy hitting shore stuff. The Air Force and stand off weaponry will be the primary suppression for amphibious landings.

 

[Wookie]

News to me. I got into a debate with my uncle today who served on the USS Little Rock and USS Wisconsin who says that they need to bring back two of the Iowa's for heavy bombardment roles. I showed him some videos of what they look like on the inside in places where tourists can't go and showed him they weren't coming back. They stripped most of the museums in the 80s looking for parts for the things. Especially for the turrets.

Arsenal ships is the way to go for heavy hitting shore stuff. The Air Force and stand off weaponry will be the primary suppression for amphibious landings.

When you say arsenal ships, I assume you mean autonomous vessels carrying hundreds of VLS missiles. A veritable arsenal of ICBM interceptors, SLAM, Sea Sparrows, ASROCs, Standard 3’s, etc.

If I mis-assumed, I’m sorry.

 

[Jared0425]

When you say arsenal ships, I assume you mean autonomous vessels carrying hundreds of VLS missiles. A veritable arsenal of ICBM interceptors, SLAM, Sea Sparrows, ASROCs, Standard 3’s, etc.

If I mis-assumed, I’m sorry.

Yes that's what I an referring to. The battleship of the 21st century.

 

[HalcyonDaze]

The original arsenal ship proposal died off in the 1990s (the Zumwalt-class was something of a bastard offspring of it); there have been some attempts to revive it but really the closest platforms we have to that now are the four converted Ohio-class SSGNs. While there have been some industry proposals since (one from Ingalls being an LPD-17 hull with Aegis and up to 288 VLC cells), my impression was the thinking now was going towards a larger number of small unmanned platforms. The Navy of late has been looking at the "distributed lethality" concept of fitting antiship or land attack missiles to a number of platforms (potentially even landing ships, auxiliaries, and shore-based launchers) and using networked targeting; the idea being to make life difficult for countries that are planning to use "missile spam" themselves.

 

[Wookie]

The original arsenal ship proposal died off in the 1990s (the Zumwalt-class was something of a bastard offspring of it); there have been some attempts to revive it but really the closest platforms we have to that now are the four converted Ohio-class SSGNs. While there have been some industry proposals since (one from Ingalls being an LPD-17 hull with Aegis and up to 288 VLC cells), my impression was the thinking now was going towards a larger number of small unmanned platforms. The Navy of late has been looking at the "distributed lethality" concept of fitting antiship or land attack missiles to a number of platforms (potentially even landing ships, auxiliaries, and shore-based launchers) and using networked targeting; the idea being to make life difficult for countries that are planning to use "missile spam" themselves.

The LUSV is a NOMARS vessel designed to fill a few roles, including an Arsenal ship…

 

[HalcyonDaze]

The LUSV is a NOMARS vessel designed to fill a few roles, including an Arsenal ship…

That was what I thought you were referring to, as opposed to the 1990s idea of an arsenal ship as something in the ~20,000-ton weight class. I believe now the thinking is the original concept would be an awful lot of VLS cells that could be taken out of action with one hit; again, ~25 years ago the idea was that we were never going to see a peer opponent again and could just park a big missile barge a couple hundred miles offshore with impunity.

As a side note, a lot of the 1990s-era concept art for the arsenal ship proposal showed the hull number 72, which furthered the perception of a "21st-century battleship;" the last battleships ordered (and then canceled before being laid down) during WWII were the five Montana-class ships (BB-67 through BB-71).

 

[Bob DBF]

USS Connecticut’s leadership fired following undersea mountain collision

The Navy has yet to divulge the extent and nature of damage to the sub following the Oct. 2 mishap in the South China Sea.

www.navytimes.com

Sounds like a repeat of the San Francisco, the Connecticut hit a submerged mountain that they should have known about and avoided.

 

[HalcyonDaze]

Metallurgist Admits To Falsifying Navy Submarine Steel Strength Test Results For 36 Years

The Navy had to pay additional maintenance costs to address the potential issues on an undisclosed number of submarines.

www.thedrive.com

I'd say part of the sentence should be to have the culprit walk over Rickover's grave and see what happens, although some of the comments indicate these weren't SUBSAFE-spec castings, i.e. not critical to dive integrity.

 

[Bob DBF]

i.e. not critical to dive integrity

Dive integrity, or rather the lack of it, is not the only thing that can sink a sub, or end a mission prematurely.

I hope she spends her golden years in prison, but I'm kind of biased.

 

[Jared0425]

This issue was raised about 5 or 6 years ago. I remember reading about it on USNI and the case was ongoing.