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DutchDown:
I believe that in European Union countries, there are no warranty restrictions on internet sales. It is considered restraint of trade.

Phil

Dutch Diver ?

I have lived (and dived) in the Netherlands for a few years...

One time my fellow Dutch divers told me "We are going to dive in a lake, so you can see the bus, just follow the road signs down there" - I thinking either they were pulling my leg, or I hadn't really understood what they meant.

But once reached the bottom they showed me "paths" made of old tires chained together and by following one of that we reached a bus, coupled with a mannequin driver dressed with a suit and mask, it was amazing !

Do you know by chance the name of that lake? I have forgotten it, but I remember it was SE of Amsterdam.

Cheers,

DareDevil
 
I'm wondering what you guys think of Scuba Toys posts.

He seems to have good prices and warranty and all, but it seems like everytime someone asks a question about a product, he pops up and in a round about says BUY FROM ME!! I"M THE BEST!!!.

He has his advertising on the side of this page for that but to keep on poping up like that I think takes away from his other vitues. ;)
 
scubatoys:
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Maybe your country is different, but here - they only people selling them are those that are dealing in non warrantied gray market goods. We have a huge shop and carry Uwatec and Scubapro - and are not allowed to sell them except in the store.
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Hmm...

www.simplyscuba.com in the UK is selling worldwide including US as well... any item sold to the US is subjected to a 4% import tax and that's all.

Are you stating they sell material to the US illegaly and/or they are selling gray market goods?

DareDevil
 
davidr:
I'm wondering what you guys think of Scuba Toys posts.

He seems to have good prices and warranty and all, but it seems like everytime someone asks a question about a product, he pops up and in a round about says BUY FROM ME!! I"M THE BEST!!!.

He has his advertising on the side of this page for that but to keep on poping up like that I think takes away from his other vitues. ;)

Sorry if it came across that way... not what I was trying to do. A lot of people don't realize that scubapro/uwatec will not warranty goods if sold on line. Actually what I'm saying is if you want an Uwatec computer, and you're not in the Dallas area - don't buy from me - or any other on line dealer. Buy it local. It's the only way you'll get a warranty. And on a computer with very expensive battery replacement - having a lifetime replacement warranty is important.

Sorry if I came off the other way. Wasn't intended.
 
I must agree with Davidr.

There is a place in the board for commercial advertisement.

It seems to me that it is contrary to the spirit of the board to
make constant and obvious references to a commercial enterprise in a non-commercial thread.
 
DareDevil:
Hmm...

www.simplyscuba.com in the UK is selling worldwide including US as well... any item sold to the US is subjected to a 4% import tax and that's all.

Are you stating they sell material to the US illegaly and/or they are selling gray market goods?

DareDevil

Just keep in mind that the US ScubaPro / Uwatec company will not give a warranty on goods bought overseas... that's all I was saying. I don't know if you can ship the computer back to Europe to get a battery replacement for free... I just know if the unit was not sold in the US at a local shop - it will not be in their database as a warranted item. Kinda' by definition, goods sold into the US, bypassing the authorized US distributor is a gray market transaction. I'm not going to make the judgment call on whether it's worth it, good, bad, wonderful, evil.... Just wanted to comment as I've had customers walk into my shop with a ScubaPro or Uwatec item that was not covered under warranty as they did not come from the US distribution channel.

I'm not saying they were stolen off a truck, copies, or anything like that... Just if bought overseas, or through a web site that is getting them from overseas, you can't expect the local distributor to replace parts or batteries when they didn't see any of the money from the sale.

Again... when commenting on this - I was really just trying to inform about Scubapro / Uwatec rules... I didn't write them, and probably don't agree with them... but it's the way they play. I'm not jumping in saying buy it from me... I can't even sell it to you. Again, sorry if taken the wrong way.
 
If we can back up to the Aeris Atmos Elite for a minute, does it have an "air time remaining" display like the Oceanic VT Pro? How do they compare?

I was just about decided on the Oceanic, but the Aeris looks like the same computer for less money. What am I missing?
 
Larry could only make me happier if he announced he had brothers named Darryl, and Darryl :cwmddd:

He did NOT say anything like "BUY FROM ME...yadayada". If you are going to quote someone, do it, don't put words in their mouth, and then lambast them for YOUR words...

What he provided was a VERY big potential downside for purchasing a computer online, and suggested his choice as a diver, and DS owner.

I VERY much appreciate this type of input from anyone, but especially a DS owner who has a LOT more experience in the retail side of the house then most.

Let's face it, when we want equipment advice, who are you going to get the best advice from, someone who purchases a few brands over the years, and has that experience? IMO someone who SELLs many brands, dives them, and forms opinions based on a wide range of gear at his disposal to try, and who also can base opinion on customer experience AND direct experience from equipment manufactures is in a FAR better position to provide equipment feedback.

In fact it is this experience that we call *customer service* and why many are willing to PAY much higher prices for gear vs. LP. The fact that Larry offers this advice freely on this forum is something I value. Since his posts have convinced me he is honest, and provides HIS opinion in kind, I value his input over many of the LDS's I've visited where their *opinion* is generally limited to purchase what I stock, it's the best.

Scott Zeagle offers provides a similar value for Zeagle product questions.

To stay on topic, I chose an Aeris Atoms II computer as the hoseless/AI options were a bit expensive for me as a new diver. However I did a lot of research on puters, and while I'll not share my exact opinion on model, IMO a VERY important feature for a Dive computer regardless of the brand is the ability to replace the battery on the fly. With AI, even more so as one can dive without a puter, but NOT without an SPG.

If one is going AI, or hoseless, IMO get one that provides remaining air NOT just based on PSI, but calcualtes it based on dive conditions, air use, remaining pressue, and displays a calculated remaining air as a TIME in minutes. Many AI/hoseless puters do this.

Ron

davidr:
I'm wondering what you guys think of Scuba Toys posts.

He seems to have good prices and warranty and all, but it seems like everytime someone asks a question about a product, he pops up and in a round about says BUY FROM ME!! I"M THE BEST!!!.

He has his advertising on the side of this page for that but to keep on poping up like that I think takes away from his other vitues. ;)
 
MakoMermaid:
If we can back up to the Aeris Atmos Elite for a minute, does it have an "air time remaining" display like the Oceanic VT Pro? How do they compare?

I was just about decided on the Oceanic, but the Aeris looks like the same computer for less money. What am I missing?

Yes... very same unit... Everything works exactly the same. They are both made in the same factory with the same parts, right in Oakland, CA. I just had someone in my Nitrox class the other night with a VT Pro, and even going through all the menu selections it was identical screen by screen.
 
scubanick:
i also see uwatec sold on the leisure pro website
now is that considered not internet because they have a catalog or what
yeah i did not notice that the Aladin Air Z Nitrox does not have temp sensor
and i changed my mind towards the Uwatec Aladin Smart Pro Air/Nitrox Wrist Computer
what ya think and since its not air integrated
can ya find a small air guage instead of the big bulky console

I guess it depends upon how much you have to spend, and how much if any backup you want.

I purchased an Atoms II wrist version, and then I have a mini console SPG. I did this for a few reasons...

1. IMO an analog SPG is more fail safe vs. a computer. No battery, no electronics, basic in design vs. a computer.

2. I wanted some backup for depth and time as well. I have a dive watch, and the console has a depth guage. If my puter fails, I can continue to dive with my watch (timer) and the console assuming I have calcualted a BT.

3. Expense - Hoseless and AI are cool... but expensive.

4. In the future... I'm guessing if I dive enough, I'll get an AI unit. Then I'd have my other puter as a backup.

To answer the question on SPG, yes, you can get a small SPG.

Ron
 

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