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ringojcp
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this one is debatable, it's either what archman says it is Peristedion miniatum (armoured sea robin) or personally, I believe it is pterygotrigla multiocellatus (no common name) which is similar to the armoured sea robin except the prongs on the snout is a tad bit longer like the one in your picture
OP
I don't think so...ringojcp:
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Distribution:Western Pacific: Japan to Taiwan and Saipan, including the Kyushu-Palau Ridge, East China Sea, and Saigon (Ref. 27468). Also reported from New Caledonia (Ref. 27468).
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This one's from the Gulf of Mexico
Rick
ringojcp
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im not sure, i only have a top view, have you seen one?
The annoying thing about deepwater fauna... their distribution is frequently quite extensive. We get a lot of "cosmopolitan" species.
However, the Gulf of Mexico is fairly restrictive. An animal that has only been reported from the west Pacific is unlikely to be in the Gulf of Mexico. Of course, the species may just not have been sampled. Deepwater surveys are very expensive and infrequent.
If you're REALLY wanting the definitive reference for Gulf of Mexico fishes, our very own fish genius John McEachran has recently put out a couple of "super books". Volume two has just come out.
https://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exmcefis.html
Unless the university buys me a set, I'm stuck with the Hoese & Moore book. Which is still pretty good, but it lacks much deepwater stuff.
However, the Gulf of Mexico is fairly restrictive. An animal that has only been reported from the west Pacific is unlikely to be in the Gulf of Mexico. Of course, the species may just not have been sampled. Deepwater surveys are very expensive and infrequent.
If you're REALLY wanting the definitive reference for Gulf of Mexico fishes, our very own fish genius John McEachran has recently put out a couple of "super books". Volume two has just come out.
https://www.utexas.edu/utpress/excerpts/exmcefis.html
Unless the university buys me a set, I'm stuck with the Hoese & Moore book. Which is still pretty good, but it lacks much deepwater stuff.
OP
Shipp gives passing mention to 'em... "other sea robins on the shelf, including some real odd balls. Some have long processes, nearly as long as their head, projecting from their snouts." but no systematic naming info.
Rick
Rick
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Oh, I don't know, Arch, all ye gotta do is beat the gulls to the bycatch, don'tchaknowarchman:
Rick
Rick Murchison:Oh, I don't know, Arch, all ye gotta do is beat the gulls to the bycatch, don'tchaknow
Tag-along science surveys on deepwater trawlers used to be the rage up until about 1990 or so. Somehow they have fallen out of favor, which is a crying shame. With the USNOLS fleet shrinking, and expedition operating costs skyrocketing, hardly anyone's doing any physical collecting anymore.
I haven't handled a fresh deepwater critter since 2003. Boo!
LeslieH
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archman:
Boo hoo, indeed! I hear you! My March trip to Panama was supposed to be on the STRI R/V Urraca but somehow it lost it's NOLS status (no one I talked to had the story) and the PI's budget couldn't handle the extra cost. The divers ended up riding pangas 1.5 hours each way to their sample site. So even shallow water collecting is being affected....
OP
Any of y'all want to ride a gulf shrimper? I can't guarantee anything, but I do have a brother-in-law in the business...
Rick
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