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Scuba_Vince:
First of all thank you all for your advice, I will take it slowy and practice and practice in the pool untill I want to go outside. I have only 1 question left how come if diving is
a safe sport that there are still fatal accidents are those divers all dare devils or not safe enough

Hi Vince,

On being nervous, while the open water has numerous factors you will not see in a pool, simply remember that the principle is the same. There's water over your head.

Have you been in open water before sans scuba gear? In scuba gear, you have a distinct advantage. You can breathe. If you're swimming around and you get tangled in something, you have less than two minutes before you're going to drown. If you're in scuba and you get tangled in something, you have tools and somewhere between 15 minutes and an hour to work it out. Not to mention a buddy to assist.

The breathing thing is crucial. Some scuba divers, if something gets scary, forget they can breathe. My regulator is my security blanket. No matter what goes wrong under water, I can breathe. If something is wrong with my gear (which if serviced correctly almost NEVER happens), I can breathe off my buddy.

For fatal accidents, there are fatal accidents in everything. Diving, for a sport, has a very low accident rate. In diving, like any other sport, there are mistakes that very occasionally lead to tragedy, uncharacteristic stupid stunts that lead to tragedy, and of course, participants who have no business doing it either for physical or psychological reasons.

Many diving fatalities are actually heart attacks. It is tragic and the typical delayed access to emergency facilities (plus assumptions that the problem is caused by diving) may reduce survival, but the same thing is true of people who hike or for that matter, live alone. In the cases of those that die in actual diving related accidents, you have different types. The rarest cases are those diving within their ability level taking proper precautions. Other times, you see some people showing off, trying to 'best' their own records, or being pressured into a situation they feel uncomfortable doing ("trust me" dives). You also see inexperienced people diving outside their limitations, either trying out sites that are for more experienced divers, entering unfavorable water conditions, going deeper than they know they should, etc. You also have the people who seem to be making a concentrated effort to kill themselves. In the late 70s, a guy died in Carmel because he and his buddy (who remarkably lived) decided to plan their first dive after certification off the most notoriously dangerous beach in the area with a PLANNED depth of 250 feet on doubles. The knucklehead who died added to the list of "diving fatalities" that, though a short list comparatively, scares sane people out of the water when they would never conceive of anything so stupid.

You talked about the safety of a swimming pool. Do you have any idea how many people die in swimming pools? It's more than die diving. Places with a lifeguard on duty are of course safer, but people still die doing things as simple as diving in wrong and breaking their necks. Private pools, either owned by a homeowner or an apartment complex, in which there is no lifeguard on duty, kill even more people. If you get knocked out or faint while scuba diving, it's still dangerous, but you have a buddy and an air supply to get you out of it. If you get knocked out or faint while swimming alone in a pool (which is not considered to be a 'risky activity'), you're dead.

A little anxiety about the situation is normal. Once you are comfortable in the pool (and a good instructor will work with you until you are), try out the open water. Your instructor will be there to help you. You may, upon trying out the open water, decide that it was a good experience to have, but you never ever want to do it again. That's fine. Someone who is diving because they paid for the class, or are trying to do something for another person, but can never feel comfortable underwater is more likely to have trouble down the road. Not every sport is for everyone. Personally, fishing scares me, because I have this mental "hook in the eye" image, though I know it isn't based on a common occurence.

Something you may find reassuring on the fatalities in scuba diving:

"In a recent year over 140 people died scuba diving, 856 bicycling, over 7,000 drowned, 1154 died of bee stings, and 80 by lightning. In 1982, 43,990 people were killed in highway accidents, 1,171 boating fatalities, 235 airline deaths, and 1,164 light aircraft general aviation fatalities."

When people tell me I'm crazy for diving because I'm going to get killed, I tell them that I am statistically FAR more likely to die on the trip to work.

Good luck!
 
Ishie:
You talked about the safety of a swimming pool. Do you have any idea how many people die in swimming pools? It's more than die diving.

I'm sure this is reeeeaaaaallllllly reassuring to know.... :11:
 
miketsp:
I'm sure this is reeeeaaaaallllllly reassuring to know.... :11:

Heh heh. When you study the accident and death statistics on every day, don't-think-about-it stuff, it really makes staying under water seem like the safest option. Besides, 'eaten by great white' is definitely higher on the list of "cool ways to die" than 'run over by idiot on cell phone'. Rather be part of the food chain than part of the pavement.
 
IMO there is nothing done that doesnt involve risk. Driving, working even eating and drinking involve risk. I always use the question "Does the risk out weigh the gain". If the answer is yes, I don't do it or figure out a way to lower the risk until the answer is no. That's what training does, it prepairs you for emergency situations lowering the risk.
 
As a recently certified diver, I had many anxieties about my open water dive. Remember that your instructer wants to return to shore as much as you do, so he/she won't be taking you to the part of the lake where the giant clams are that might hold you down. You will never be in a position with your instructor where your life will be at risk.

You will no doubt be in the water at the surface for some time before your first dive begins. In that time you will be able to reaquaint yourself with your equipment and your control over it. Then your dive will go very slowly with your instructor there to lend a hand if needed.

If you find yourself uncomfortable you can stop. You can stop at anytime. The big difference in your pool dives and your OW dives will be the viz, temp, and the fishies looking back at you. Relax, be confident and enjoy the experience.
 
One step that I took that really helped was paying extra to do my OW dives one-on-one with an instructor. I did this for two reasons. First, I was somewhat "underwhelmed" by the training I got during the theory and pool section of my course. (I did a 2-day course in Toronto before going to New Zealand, where I planned my OW Dives.) I found the training to be perfunctory, there weren't enough opportunities to practise and the group was very, very large (to maximize revenues for the dive shop, probably). Also, I took the course solo, and was paired with a "buddy" who refused to pay attention and follow proper procedures. Consequently, I was somewhat anxious about my OW dives and wanted to make sure I got thorough, proper training and supervision and was paired with a reliable buddy.

In New Zealand, I was taking a holiday on the fringes of a business trip so I couldn't fit the OW dives into a regular course schedule (and I could afford the one-on-one training because a lot of my costs were covered). The experience was great. In addition to the OW dives, I got unlimited pool sessions for the 3 days I dived. I had my instructor's undivided attention. He was tough, thorough and very reassuring.
 
As mentioned above, talk to you instructor about your concerns. If your not happy with his/her answer try another one. Basically you have to get over your own fears. Not have someone talk you in something your not mentally ready for. It's a great sport if you are ready for it.

Good Luck

Joe
 
Like some of the others said, diving isn't for everyone and you are the only one who can make that decision. I too was a nervous diver during my training and still have occasional mild panic attacks underwater even in my familiar quarry. I've learned to check my pressure gauge and my buddy then tell those feelings "No, you are not going to mess with my enjoyment of this dive." Plan your dives and dive your plan, your instructor should give you a thorough briefing about the site and the activities you will be asked to do. None of these activities will be new to you only the site is new. You can always ask for additional open water dives to get comfortable in the water, these will be worth the cost.

A friend has a decision making process that makes a lot of sense to me. He says when you decide you are going to do something you learn everything you can about the risks and how to minimize them. Ask yourself if you are trained and equipped to do this dive. If the answer is yes then you need to decide if you are willing and able to deal with any problems that arise. Everyone has good and bad days diving and sometimes even though you have the training and equipment you just don't feel mentally "into" the dive and it's OK to call it before you ever get in. If you decide you are going to do the dive remember that no matter what happens you have committed yourself to coming back alive. Panic is what kills divers, once you make a conscious decision to make a dive you cannot allow yourself to panic if something goes wrong. You simply tell yourself to stop and take slow deep breaths to calm yourself then you solve your problem. Aborting the dive is always an option and no good diver will chastise you for that choice.

Only you can decide whether you are able to make the choices you need to dive. A panicked diver is a danger to himself and to others around him. It's better to try the sport and not like it than to force yourself to do it, no one will think less of you if you decide not to dive. Personally I like to try things 3 times before deciding I don't like them. The first time I don't know what to expect so I may not be able to enjoy the experience. The second time I have an idea about the procedures, sensations, etc. that I will experience so I can start to relax and pay attention to what is going on around me. The third time the stuff is starting to become familiar and that is the time I finally say "I like this" or "I don't want to do this."

Anyway I've rambled on enough. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.
Ber :lilbunny:
 
I had the same fears, but last week, when it was time to surface, I just kicked up to the surface, and tried not to make my computer get mad at me!

And for the record, I only have 8 dives logged, so I'm really no more noobie than you be!

Think of this, when you're with your instructors, if you run into trouble, they'll help!



Scuba_Vince:
The thing that worriest me the most it that it might not be able to decide to surface when i want to if i freak out. And that something terrirble will happen and be on the news that night
 

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