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Original poster - it is the person who opened the thread, you in this casep.s. what does 'OP' stand for?
This here, how can training agencies and instructors reconcile those two completely different approaches? It is then left to us mere divers to try and work it out so that we can dive safely together. It shouldnt be my job to convince diver #1 much more experienced than me who was taught „arrows” that this is not the way - he wont listen as I am younger and less experienced. Diver #2 was trained more recently but does „arrows” too - he was trained in same area as me, but with a different centre - how is this possible to have two drastically different curricula within the same instructors’ community?
I was not explained during my training why cookies and not arrows, but my argument to buddies #1 and #2 was that it is quicker and easier to recognize a cookie rather than notched arrow in an out of viz stressfull situation. Manatee Diver gave me another argument, as theoretically when marking a T with an arrow you can place your arrow pointing to other than nearest exit permanent arrows in the vicinity.
I'm personally not a fan of REMs
I feel the opposite. There's not a single thing I can accomplish with a cookie that I can't with a REM. But in my head a REM is exactly the same as a cookie. Not everyone feels that way.It comes down to this: how many types of markers do you need? There's not a single thing I've found that I need a REM for that I can't accomplish with cookies.
agreeIt comes down to this: how many types of markers do you need? There's not a single thing I've found that I need a REM for that I can't accomplish with cookies.
So I'm kind of with you, but also with @rddvet on this one though I don't currently use REM's largely because I have a pile of cookies that were given to me and couldn't be bothered to replace them...It comes down to this: how many types of markers do you need? There's not a single thing I've found that I need a REM for that I can't accomplish with cookies.
I feel the opposite. There's not a single thing I can accomplish with a cookie that I can't with a REM. But in my head a REM is exactly the same as a cookie. Not everyone feels that way.
For me the biggest benefit of the REM is I always place it facing the exact same way (flat part with no holes facing the direction I came from). I don't really care that it can give me a reference of direction. I like that it makes me stop and think about the jump or marking I'm doing by slowing me down to ensure I put the REM the right way. Unless of course you're watching me and then I just let my REM holder disintegrate and spew REMS into the cave.