NAUI Open Water Class Requirements

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As a side note, NAUI does require 10 water hours under practical application. This include confined water and open water, but does not include briefs, de-breifs and setting up equipment. IMHO, that will be tough to meet given the course syllabus described here.
 
As a side note, NAUI does require 10 water hours under practical application. This include confined water and open water, but does not include briefs, de-breifs and setting up equipment. IMHO, that will be tough to meet given the course syllabus described here.

Now this seems to conflict with what others have said about NAUI? Does practical instruction include self-directed review of material within an on-line class? The only instructional time, was described as ONE single morning (which was for pool and apparently any academics) , followed by two open water dives in the afternoon. Edit: And then one two tank boat dive trip, the next weekend. So it is NOT up to the instructor's discretion?
 
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I might point out that what is delivered with NAUI is often different than what is required to meet NAUI's "minimum requirements" for certification. A NAUI Instructor can require 100 in-water training hours if that's what they want to do. The minimum standards must be met, but many of us believe this is sadly insufficient to dive in our local environmental conditions and insure that the Student possesses the in-water abilities to dive safely with his Buddy. NAUI teaches people to dive independently of a Divemaster or Instructor...
 
the academic hours are separate and can be met via NAUI's eLearning. But 10 hours of water time are required, this includes confined water and open water. Remember that often an area at an open water location can be deemed suitable for confined water training. Boat rides do not count as water hours. Based on your initial description of the class, it seems a bit light.
 
To be honest they were running a half off special for Black Friday.. I was looking for a cheap course, I am not that worried about what she will or will not learn in the class, since I will teach her "what she needs to know".

Plus I would only allow her to take a class I can completely monitor (especially the open water dives, I MUST be allowed to be her buddy). I have concerns about some other extremely poorly trained student killing her. There is no way, I would trust her safety to these certification agencies or their instructors.

I just wanted to have her get a card.. even if it is becoming increasingly meaningless, she may want to go on a charter boat or something sometime and it would make sense for her to have card to show.

On the other hand, I would rather not support an instructor who would openly violate standards. It seems to be getting so ridiculous, I am wondering if there is not a source for fake cert cards..

To be honest as a NAUI Instructor myself are you asking A good question for your daughter or bucking for a fight? You must know that you can watch but not interact unless the instructor dems it right?
And Naui like most agency's are turning to online then small class with test and on to open water skills that are the same.
 
And Naui like most agency's are turning to online then small class with test and on to open water skills that are the same.

IMHO that is not entirely true. NAUI is providing their Instructors with the tools to be competitive and offer a variety of formats. NAUI still holds high a unique asset - Academic Freedom.
 
To be honest as a NAUI Instructor myself are you asking A good question for your daughter or bucking for a fight? You must know that you can watch but not interact unless the instructor dems it right?
And Naui like most agency's are turning to online then small class with test and on to open water skills that are the same.

No I am not looking for a fight. What is there to fight about? I wanted to know what the standards are. My goal in attending the certification dives is to be invisible. Cause no problems, touch no one, say nothing and act simply as an observer. I will only interact if necessary, and that would involve a safety issue.

However, I was surprised that one pool session was all that was allocated for the entire certification course. I did not indicate that my daughter can freedive, swims like a fish and has been scuba diving. There was no question at all about her comfort in the water, swimming or diving ability- just that it will take one morning in the pool to teach the skills prior to open water training. The more I think about it, the crazier it seems... you can be damn sure I would be along for the ride in an open water training dive.

FYI.. this was her last unofficial training dive with me. the third time she has been scuba diving....

[video=youtube_share;NmeQmWZ_tzY]http://youtu.be/NmeQmWZ_tzY[/video]



And this was her prior training dive:

[video=youtube_share;WfUbNkYGtBg]http://youtu.be/WfUbNkYGtBg[/video]
 
No I am not looking for a fight. What is there to fight about? I wanted to know what the standards are. My goal in attending the certification dives is to be invisible. Cause no problems, touch no one, say nothing and act simply as an observer. I will only interact if necessary, and that would involve a safety issue.

However, I was surprised that one pool session was all that was allocated for the entire certification course. I did not indicate that my daughter can freedive, swims like a fish and has been scuba diving. There was no question at all about her comfort in the water, swimming or diving ability- just that it will take one morning in the pool to teach the skills prior to open water training. The more I think about it, the crazier it seems... you can be damn sure I would be along for the ride in an open water training dive.

FYI.. this was her last unofficial training dive with me. the third time she has been scuba diving....

[video]Joan Training Dive Number 3 10-20-13 - YouTube[/video]

And this was her prior training dive:

[video=youtube_share;WfUbNkYGtBg]http://youtu.be/WfUbNkYGtBg[/video]

There's a point I think you're missing here, one that as an instructor I would hope you understood.

You don't have any RIGHT to be along for pool sessions or open water dives if your child is in the class. You being PERMITTED to observe is solely at the discretion of the instructor.

I get the feeling from your posts that you would have a difficult time simply observing in any situation, emergency or not. I've had parents like that in my classes before - they try to teach their child skills in the pool, or they push their child into more advanced skills than the child is ready for. At that point they are taken aside by me and politely told that while they are welcome to watch from the side of the pool they are no longer allowed to participate in the water. I've gone as far as to tell one parent she couldn't sit in the classroom with her son - she kept feeding him answers to questions when I asked him anything.

Demanding to be in the water with your daughter whether in the pool or the open water should be a red flag to an instructor that you are more trouble than you are worth.

If your child is in my class *I* am responsible for their safety, and whether you like that or not I don't care.

As has been said previously in this thread, if you want your child to be educated exactly as YOU would you'd better reactivate your instructor status and teach her yourself. Any reputable instructor I know (including myself) wouldn't touch you with a 10-foot pole.

-Adrian

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Never mind. I just watched your video. Disturbing mating horseshoe crabs, dragging them off the bottom and forcing them to cease mating? Dragging your hands through the sponges to catch crabs to show her?

In my opinion you're dangerous, and I hope every instructor that sees this steers clear of you. I feel sorry for your daughter. I'm sure you have her best interests at heart but there's no WAY I'd let you near my classes.

I'm done with this thread. It seems that your mind is made up and there's no point in trying to change your opinions on what's appropriate as the parent of a student in an open water class. Heaven help the instructor who ends up with your daughter in his or her class.

-Adrian
 
I guess I look at it a couple of ways. Having 3 children (and 3 Grand kids) I can appreciate the appeal of having them interested in anything I'm enthusiastic about. When I taught for my Dive Store, I didn't allow parent tag alongs. I guess I felt it was analogous to having Mom (a school teacher) accompany their child during final exams (the kid has to do it alone without distraction). Since this time I've taught for a Club. If the parent is a member, they're allowed to be around but not interfere.

DD, you've been advised of some of the NAUI minimums. I'd contact NAUI for clarification. Personally any NAUI Instructor that only teaches the minimums isn't someone who I'd be comfortable with in teaching a member of my family. I know you dive regularly and will be an excellent mentor, but a comprehensive course provides a solid foundation in-which to build (imo).
 
I guess I look at it a couple of ways. Having 3 children (and 3 Grand kids) I can appreciate the appeal of having them interested in anything I'm enthusiastic about. When I taught for my Dive Store, I didn't allow parent tag alongs. I guess I felt it was analogous to having Mom (a school teacher) accompany their child during final exams (the kid has to do it alone without distraction). Since this time I've taught for a Club. If the parent is a member, they're allowed to be around but not interfere.

DD, you've been advised of some of the NAUI minimums. I'd contact NAUI for clarification. Personally any NAUI Instructor that only teaches the minimums isn't someone who I'd be comfortable with in teaching a member of my family. I know you dive regularly and will be an excellent mentor, but a comprehensive course provides a solid foundation in-which to build (imo).

Thanks, I have gotten one very generous offer so far on instruction. I think I will delay and try to get some more dives in before we seek certification, if we do it at all. I need to train her on use of a pony bottle and some night dives before we think about looking for a certification card.

Do you too, think I am dangerous because I caused two individuals to discontinue having unprotected sex in the presence of my daughter? :shakehead::shakehead: :rofl3::rofl3::rofl3:
 

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