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clive francis
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what do you mean by that?
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DennisW
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Clive,
Tampascott obviously deleted his reply for a very good reason. Making replies to posts like the one you made would be useless. Your insensitivity is unimaginable and your lack of understanding of the citizens of the US even more so. I am very happy to say that most of your fellow UK citizens do not share your views. Have there been people in the US that have funded terrorism? Yes, however, that does not mean the general population of the US condones their actions. Nor do we always agree with everything our government does. That is a very unique part of our heritage, short as it may be. We have certain liberties that we hold self evident.
However, that was not the point of my thread and your post was not an appropriate response. I myself, have made many changes to this reply and have tried to make my response an appropriate one. I have almost deleted my response several times, but since I started the thread, I feel some responsibility to reply.
One another note, Thank you to all that gave appropriate responses to my thread.
Tampascott obviously deleted his reply for a very good reason. Making replies to posts like the one you made would be useless. Your insensitivity is unimaginable and your lack of understanding of the citizens of the US even more so. I am very happy to say that most of your fellow UK citizens do not share your views. Have there been people in the US that have funded terrorism? Yes, however, that does not mean the general population of the US condones their actions. Nor do we always agree with everything our government does. That is a very unique part of our heritage, short as it may be. We have certain liberties that we hold self evident.
However, that was not the point of my thread and your post was not an appropriate response. I myself, have made many changes to this reply and have tried to make my response an appropriate one. I have almost deleted my response several times, but since I started the thread, I feel some responsibility to reply.
One another note, Thank you to all that gave appropriate responses to my thread.
clive francis once bubbled...
what do you mean by that?
Let me just say I take great offense at your crazy allegation that Americans are funding terrorism in Great Britain. It is so baseless, that I edited my earlier reply. What I meant is it's not worth a reply, because it's such BS.
clive francis
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Did you not read all my thread?
I said it was a terrible attack, I watched it like every one else on the news in horror!!
but you are not the first country that has suffered at the hands of terrorists!
you all knew it was going on, but never did anything about it, surely that is just as bad as doing it?
I made a reasonable response i did not say every person (us funding) did this, the same as not every muslim did this (the attack).
clive francis
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wake up, pull your head out of the sand, and smell the coffee, some US citizens who have Irish descendants have been funding the IRA for decades!
Christ even McDonalds were reported to have given money!!
so don't tell me that is BS!
they have been caught in the US with guns, training buying explosives, try looking at world news instead of stuff that only happens in your yard, state or country
Living near Boston and frequenting some of the Irish pubs in the city makes it easy to accept your claims that some people in the United States have donated money to the IRA or, at least, to Sinn Fein.
So what? Does that mean that it was right or that their donations somehow excuse 9-11?
You post notes that they were "caught". More specifically, they were caught, tried and convicted. For several years it was common knowledge that the Feds were circulating through the Irish pubs in Boston attempting to identify major contributors and solicitors.
On the other hand, we are continually hearing about the radical Muslim population in England (does the name Richard Reid ring a bell). England is supposed to be taking steps to deal with this situation. However, like you, I could just as easily claim that you are not doing enough and that your government's failure to eradicate this problem justifies the Provos actions. Instead, I accept the more realistic view that policing the actions of individuals in a democracy (or a Constitutional Monarchy) is difficult at best, and dictatorial at worst.
For the record, I'm just as opposed to the Provos' bombings of English targets (military and civilian) as I am to the RUC's beatings of Catholics and the English government's imprisonment, without trial or charges, of suspected bombers, the banning of certain songs (anyone over there heard "A Nation Once Again" or "The Men Behind The Wire" recently) and the oppression that has been going on, in its present form, for decades and in other forms for hundreds of years.
Financing terrorist operations is wrong. However, your suggestion that the financing of the IRA justified 9-11 is, to quote someone else on this Board (I believe Mr. Murchison), the biggest pile of hog-wash claptrap that I've seen in quite awhile.
On the other hand, I suppose that it is fortunate for you that you are taking a pro-English position. Without the First Amendment to protect you, you might find yourself banned if you went the other way.
clive francis
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I didn't say it was right, so lets clear that up once and for all!!!!!!!!!!!
check previous postings and you will see I have continually said that.
what i was pointing out that every where you look news and web, everything is all about what happened, and what is going to be done.
yes if there is undisputable evidence that sadam is building MDW then kick him, but don't do it because his dad couldn't do it first time round.
You may well catch some of the fall out if it goes nuclear, but are you going to give us Europeans a new home when we get radiated?
and another point i was making was that you have to get on with life, look forward, not backward or you will never get over it.
this is what we have had to do in the UK, we just carry on as normal.
yes i don't agree with Northern Ireland, I think we would be better off pulling out and letting them kill each other rather than us, but then some do-gooder nation would say that we let people die, so what are we supposed to do?
if i had my way we would block up the channel tunnel and kick out all the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers (reports say 9 out of 10 are lying and want hands outs, and MI5/6 said a large quanyaty were terrorists), they contribute nothing to the country except antagonise every one by getting £1000's in hand outs and celebrating 11/9, but we have to fight the EEC (France and Germany!!!) to get rid of them.
If i had my way i would swap the US for the UK, or go to Thailand (as my wife is Thai)!
check previous postings and you will see I have continually said that.
what i was pointing out that every where you look news and web, everything is all about what happened, and what is going to be done.
yes if there is undisputable evidence that sadam is building MDW then kick him, but don't do it because his dad couldn't do it first time round.
You may well catch some of the fall out if it goes nuclear, but are you going to give us Europeans a new home when we get radiated?
and another point i was making was that you have to get on with life, look forward, not backward or you will never get over it.
this is what we have had to do in the UK, we just carry on as normal.
yes i don't agree with Northern Ireland, I think we would be better off pulling out and letting them kill each other rather than us, but then some do-gooder nation would say that we let people die, so what are we supposed to do?
if i had my way we would block up the channel tunnel and kick out all the illegal immigrants and asylum seekers (reports say 9 out of 10 are lying and want hands outs, and MI5/6 said a large quanyaty were terrorists), they contribute nothing to the country except antagonise every one by getting £1000's in hand outs and celebrating 11/9, but we have to fight the EEC (France and Germany!!!) to get rid of them.
If i had my way i would swap the US for the UK, or go to Thailand (as my wife is Thai)!
I don't mean to suggest that you agree with the bombings. I disagree with your suggestion that we "move on" if moving on means forgetting what happened or minimizing the impact. The Israelis had the right idea after WWII. They pursued the perpetrators of the Holocaust until the perps were caught and brought to trial or the perps died. I'm suggesting the same tactic might work for us.
As to the first two quoted paragraphs, I would prefer to stop Hussein before he has the chance to go nuclear, or biological, or chemical, whether in Europe, the UK or otherwise. That is why I'd rather move in quickly than wait for the U.N. to decide how some third world countries who will not contribute to the operation or be affected by it in any meaningful way feel about our operations. We are explaining ourselves to those whose opinions count. We are giving the U.N. its opportunity to comment. However, I really don't see why their opinion should stop us from doing what needs to be done.
As to the second, we agree. The Provos can't have it both ways. If the English pull out, Northern Ireland must stand on its own feet. This is a case of "Be careful what you wish for, you might get it."
clive francis
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My dad has worked in Saudi and Lybia, he was in Lybia when the police woman was shot outside the Lybian embassy in the UK back in the 80's.
He said then that they would be responsible for the next war as they were fanatical lunatics, he said they would do the most stupid things to get back at someone and actually end up worse off than when they started.
you can chase them for ever, spend millions or even billions and be no better off, you need to draw a line somewhere.
As for WWII didn't you guys extradite some of the German scientist from WWII and put them to work on space and missile projects,bypassing the Hague war crimes?
All the Help and support over the years we have given you guys and you are still making us pay back the loans from WWII.
any way:
one of the points i was making was that the Bin Laden is US/UK grown, they trained rebels with SAS/SEALS to fight the Russians, that has back fired now.
During Iran/Iraq the US supplied weapons to one side, and that backfired at a later date.
I was saying that the CIA/American Gov. need to be carefull who they support,or just leaveit alone.
He said then that they would be responsible for the next war as they were fanatical lunatics, he said they would do the most stupid things to get back at someone and actually end up worse off than when they started.
you can chase them for ever, spend millions or even billions and be no better off, you need to draw a line somewhere.
As for WWII didn't you guys extradite some of the German scientist from WWII and put them to work on space and missile projects,bypassing the Hague war crimes?
All the Help and support over the years we have given you guys and you are still making us pay back the loans from WWII.
any way:
one of the points i was making was that the Bin Laden is US/UK grown, they trained rebels with SAS/SEALS to fight the Russians, that has back fired now.
During Iran/Iraq the US supplied weapons to one side, and that backfired at a later date.
I was saying that the CIA/American Gov. need to be carefull who they support,or just leaveit alone.
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