My NTEC Class Disaster

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If possible, buddy up w/ a current tech diver. I was fortunate enough to have met a guy who now dives a RB, but has done just about everything known to man on OC. I spent many hours in the quarry w/ him & he's able to watch me through my drills & helped me fine tune my rig. That experienced extra set of eyes is worth its weight in gold
 
Thanks Rick. Three? I assume in a line from front to back?
I do mine in a triangle. Or even better you can get a hood that has the holes already in it and a flap under the holes so that the air can easily escape but once gone the flap closes the holes and reduces water flow to practically nil.
Rick
 
There is nothing worse that I can think of than being rushed or late on dive days. If I rush or if I am rushed, I am guaranteed to have bad dives. I also feel less safe.

Thanks for posting your experience here FL and good luck for nailing the course next time.
 
Flightlead, I'd be more than happy to work with you on any local or pool dives. I'm almost finished fine-tuning a set of 119's with my new CLX450. With me it's not so much the new drysuit but it's the 400g fleece that's taking some getting used to.

Anyway, just give me a shout if you'd care to work on any skills, drills, or fine tuning.
Brent
 
Flight Lead, also I know it's a little far for you but if you need pool time and an extra set of eyes to look at your gear. We have the pool in Marietta, and dam I think we just got through setting up like 6 stage 80's and three peoples doubles for trim. So any help we can give you we'd be happy to do so.
 
Flight Lead, also I know it's a little far for you but if you need pool time and an extra set of eyes to look at your gear. We have the pool in Marietta, and dam I think we just got through setting up like 6 stage 80's and three peoples doubles for trim. So any help we can give you we'd be happy to do so.

Thanks Jack. I actually got my drysuit card from you guys in that pool with Tim From. I bought a significant chunk of my gear from Susan, she already offered the pool to me. The problem is I really want to work on these skills with all the gear on, including the hood and undergarments. I feel that the buoyancy of the undergarments is a big part of the problem. That pool is just too darned hot! Can you leave the heat off and the door open overnight for me ? :D Seriously, I may take you up on it, but I was uncomfortably hot in a shell suit w/o any undergarments, with my undergarments on I think it could be dangerous. However, if its OK, I will bring my 11yo daughter over I need to work with her a bit as she needs to brush up on some skills. when is the pool open?
 
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Flightlead, I'd be more than happy to work with you on any local or pool dives. I'm almost finished fine-tuning a set of 119's with my new CLX450. With me it's not so much the new drysuit but it's the 400g fleece that's taking some getting used to.

Anyway, just give me a shout if you'd care to work on any skills, drills, or fine tuning.
Brent
 
No problem, too bad you were trying the class this last weekend. Several of us were in there all weekend long with Drysuits and undergarments on. We actually got the pool down to 78 for that and it wasn't too bad. If we plan it in advance enough I can leave the heat off again for a few days prior and try and drop it again. I have a class this weekend so I had to bring it back up to 84. But let me know if we can help.
 
This weekend I took the in-water portion of the NAUI NTEC class, I guess this is somewhat equivalent to a DIR-F or intro to tech type class. Its all about the "uniform", how its worn and operated, and basic water skills including trim, buoyancy, propulsion, air sharing, valve shutdowns, shooting a bag, clipping, carrying and upclipping stages.

It was an utter disaster for me from the moment I got to the quarry. I was running 30 mins late and was feeling hurried when I arrived. I was even more hurried - four divers waiting on me - when I discovered a leaking reg and had to swap out a 2nd stage even though I tested the night before.

Finally got into the water and was having buoyancy issues with my new D/S and undergarments - first dive with these (I had planned to dive on New Years day, but bailed under pressure from the spouse).

Started to set my buoyancy in the suit and almost immediately got severe leg cramps - suffered from these all day long just about anytime I started to demonstrate a skill and had to abort and stretch. I take a good multi-vitamin + 1100mg potassium gluconate every day but that is only 5% RDA.

I was also having problems with my new hood filling with air, pushing on my regulator and causing mask issues as well as affecting my buoyancy.

My D/S buoyancy problems prevented me from achieving proper trim - possibly because I was not used to the different feel rather than any actual issues, but every time I bent my knees I felt my feet heading to the surface.

I found it next to impossible to reach my valves to perform the valve shutdowns. Even in a vertical, head down position, waist and crotch strap loose, it was extremely difficult. This is where I almost drowned myself. I finally managed to shut off the isolator and right post when simulating a free flowing primary reg, but when I went to switch to my backup, my hood which didn't fit properly slid up over my mouth preventing me from putting in the reg. I thought I was gonna breath water before I finally managed to get it in.

I was also getting frustrated as I had thought there would be more instruction in how to perform the tasks, instead it was more just me attempting to demonstrate capability.

I thumbed the last dive, what a nightmare.

Now some time has passed and I've thought about it, it has boiled down to several issues:

1) diving with new, untested, unfamiliar gear - DOH!. I have now trimmed my hood and enlarged the hole on top. I've switched to a steel backplate. I was about neutrally buoyant at 1,600 psi. The Worthington X8 are 119 cu ft at 3442, so 28.924 psi/cu ft or 14.462 psi / cu ft for doubles. 1,600 psi is therefore 110 cu ft which weighs 9 lbs. The steel backplate is about 6 lbs heavier than the AL, so I'll add 2x 2lbs on a weight belt which might also help the "feet floatiness" problem.

2) leg cramps. no clue. I was well hydrated. I was not cold - quite the opposite. I have a reasonable diet. Plenty of sleep the night before, no alcohol for several days prior, the afore mentioned dietary supplements....I have picked up 30lbs of fat in the last three years - going from 6 pack abs to blubber man - guess its a sign to get my butt back in shape again. stretching and weights started today (at 6am groan).

3) reaching valves. no idea here. Some additional air in the d/s might help, as I was pinched a bit to avoid the buoyancy problems noted above. but honestly I'm not sure that will really help much, need suggestions here.

4) I cannot for the life of me fin backwards. frog, modified frog, helicopter turns, etc all no prob (well, when I don't have all the other issues) but I was finning my fat butt off and not moving an inch in any direction.

I think the answer to 3 and 4 is some (more) instruction.

I WILL be successful at this, but darn that was a bad start to it.

Hey man dont give up this is a great program and you will get it as for back fin that take allot of time to get down took me about 6 months of trying to get it down the best thing is get get diving and getting used to your new gear and going back when more comfertable if there is anything you need help with that i can do over the internet just pm me glad to help i passed that course about a year ago and have my ntech tech 1 as for the undies try to find sombody with fourth elements and try those lot better movement
 

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