My near-miss in the Galapagos

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I've read the first post, and skimmed through the rest of the thread. A few thoughts...

Thank you, LeeAnne, for being brave enough to post your experiences, and moreso for continuing to post in this thread. Many times people post their negative experiences and wind up abandoning their threads due to the holier than thou, self-righteous, armchair quarterbacks.

Speaking of which, as has been mentioned before on SB, it is so easy to type from the comfort of your home or workplace what you would or wouldn't have done in similar circumstances. Logic (generally) prevails when one has time to think about the situation.

To those of you who know better than and relentlessly criticize the OPs of these types of threads, I hope you fare just as well in a real-life situation as you do onscreen. :)

Thank you SO MUCH for this post! It really made me feel better, and helped me to see that not everyone out there on SB is going to go for the "easy kill" and dump on the folks who take the risk of putting ourselves out there. This tendency for people who post their incidents to get eviscerated by armchair-quarterbacks is really dangerous, and I know for a fact has prevented many other people from posting their own incidents and lessons-learned. Nobody enjoys having others, especially strangers (who are often anonymous) pick them apart.

And really, what I've been subjected to in here is MILD compared to what I've seen happen to some others!

Of course, some of it is necessary...meaning, the whole point of these threads is to learn, so we DO have to bring to light the mistakes, and ensure that the lessons are clear. But what is completely of no value are the posters who pop in, skim the thread, and then post a "well that would NEVER happen to me" comment.

Which brings up some final thoughts on this whole episode, and what may, in fact, be the most important lesson to be learned of all!

To those who read these stories and immediately think "that would never happen to me" or "I wouldn't make that mistake" or "what an idiot, this is what she/he should have done" or "I would have done this instead", here is what I want you to realize:

The mistakes I made could be made by you too. If you think you are above making mistakes, even these SAME mistakes, you are wrong, and that could be your undoing.

I consider myself a reasonably intelligent, quality person. I'm no kid - I'm about to turn 50 (aack! that's hard to admit!), I've been married for 25 years (to my first husband!), I've raised two good kids. I used to be a telecommunications engineer, then I had a good run as a freelance writer (I've even been published), and now have reached a decent level of success in my third career in Biotech. I've never been in trouble (other than a few traffic tickets) and consider myself a moral, ethical person. I even do jury duty when called upon. I took my dive training very seriously, and make a point of keeping up with my skills.

I'm not saying all of this to have anyone say "oh she thinks she's better than me". I'm saying all of this so you will say to yourself, "She IS me! I'm just LIKE her!" The vast majority of divers that I know are also intelligent, high-quality people. So if you read my story and really, truly think to yourself, "I would never make those mistakes!" then you are making a mistake right there.

I too have read many threads in this forum, and often, my initial reaction was "what a boneheaded move! I would never do that!" But then I stop myself, and try to remember that I could have done it too -- faced with the same exact scenario, I might very well have made the same decisions. And so might you. I have been in a few scary situations in other parts of my life, and I realize that you just can't predict how you are going to react when faced with an emergency...especially one that requires immediate action. We'd all LIKE to think that we would do the right and smart thing. But trust me - you don't know that you would until it happens to you. Nobody's infallible.

The key is to keep up your knowledge. Read these threads, and absorb the lessons. And keep on reading them, because over time they slip to the back. If you don't dive frequently, then don't just go diving without somehow refreshing your knowledge on the basics. The last things that you learned are going to be the first things you remember.

I made some questionable decisions, and did some things wrong. I also made some RIGHT decisions. I learned a few things. And I think the most IMPORTANT thing that I learned is that I can never again read someone else's story and self-righteously think to myself: Oh, I would NEVER do that! Because when yer in the thick of it, guess what: you could.

End of lecture. :D
 
Darwin and his theory would be the best dive outfit and hope you don't end up in the annual "Darwin Awards"

That's a rude comment.

I notice from your profile, Abaco, that Florida appears to be your state of residence. Yet, based on your writing, it's obvious that English is a second or third language for you. Where are you from?
 
To those who read these stories and immediately think "that would never happen to me" or "I wouldn't make that mistake" or "what an idiot, this is what she/he should have done" or "I would have done this instead", here is what I want you to realize:

The mistakes I made could be made by you too. If you think you are above making mistakes, even these SAME mistakes, you are wrong, and that could be your undoing. . . .

I too have read many threads in this forum, and often, my initial reaction was "what a boneheaded move! I would never do that!" But then I stop myself, and try to remember that I could have done it too -- faced with the same exact scenario, I might very well have made the same decisions. And so might you. I have been in a few scary situations in other parts of my life, and I realize that you just can't predict how you are going to react when faced with an emergency...especially one that requires immediate action. We'd all LIKE to think that we would do the right and smart thing. But trust me - you don't know that you would until it happens to you. Nobody's infallible.

Exactly. Anyone can make mistakes.

It's the foolish who think otherwise.
 
That's a rude comment.

I notice from your profile, Abaco, that Florida appears to be your state of residence. Yet, based on your writing, it's obvious that English is a second or third language for you. Where are you from?


It's ironic that you researched abaco24's profile and tried to discern their perspective. I see only that abaco24 has dived in Florida before. Very limited information from which to draw conclusions for sure but 100% more than you have offered. Fugitive? Go ahead and play ball like the rest of us and give us some information to discern your perspective....:)
 
It's ironic that you researched abaco24's profile and tried to discern their perspective. I see only that abaco24 has dived in Florida before. Very limited information from which to draw conclusions for sure but 100% more than you have offered. Fugitive? Go ahead and play ball like the rest of us and give us some information to discern your perspective....:)

Y'know what? Abaco24 made a couple of disrespectful and completely useless comments in this thread. While most people in here have at least made an ATTEMPT to maintain basic decorum and respect the intent of this forum, this person dropped in, made a couple of snarky and insulting comments, and offered nothing of value.

As far as I'm concerned, I give OpenmindOW a pass for questioning this person's perspective and motives.
 
Y'know what? Abaco24 made a couple of disrespectful and completely useless comments in this thread. While most people in here have at least made an ATTEMPT to maintain basic decorum and respect the intent of this forum, this person dropped in, made a couple of snarky and insulting comments, and offered nothing of value.

As far as I'm concerned, I give OpenmindOW a pass for questioning this person's perspective and motives.

Yeah, in early here on the east coast getting ready for a full day of diving tomorrow in 80 degree clear waters. Just a good natured side-bar question of a poster who offers less information then anyother that I have seen in my SB tenure. Let's start anew. Openminded, where are you from? :popcorn:
 
getting ready for a full day of diving tomorrow in 80 degree clear waters.
Ya had to tell me that, huh? No fair! I'm jealous! :wink:

No diving in the near future for me - I got back from Ecuador and immediately got hit with a nasty headcold, which is still keeping me down. I won't be able to get out there for quite a while, at least until my sinuses clear up. :depressed:
 
To dip back in briefly.

1. Aside from Abaco24's comments I didn't see one single comment that was having digs at you. I think you're being way over defensive on this point. In fact I may now have created dig #2 :). This is an internet bulletin board so you're going to get a variety of opinion and a fairly thick skin is advisable.

2. My take-away from this initially is that if you rent gear you take your chances. I've stayed at many fancy resorts and nice liveaboards and rental kit has been dubious on many occasions. You take your chances when renting and whether that risk is worth it is a personal question. However I have re-thought my opinion and what I think BubbleTrouble said was spot on - you cannot abdicate the functionality of your dive kit rented or otherwise. Being able to confidently say that 'this kit works' - or 'doesn't work' is key.

Again, glad you're back safely and please don't think that anyone was taking shots at you. They weren't - we're just all trying to learn as best we can and impart whatever bits of knowledge or experience as best we can (which is also frequently flawed, at least in my case).

Happy diving Lee,

J
 
1. Aside from Abaco24's comments I didn't see one single comment that was having digs at you. I think you're being way over defensive on this point. In fact I may now have created dig #2 :). This is an internet bulletin board so you're going to get a variety of opinion and a fairly thick skin is advisable.

Well, first let me point out that even I acknowledged (in a post yesterday) that the drubbing I took in here was mild, comparatively. But that doesn't mean it didn't exist at all. You might think I've been overly defensive, but when I look back through this thread, I see a number of posts which, loosely translated, essentially said "I would never do that." And others in which I, or someone else jumping in on my behalf, had to point out to posters that I DID ALREADY RECOGNIZE MY MISTAKES AND ASSUME RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEM. In fact, in no fewer than three separate posts, I or someone else even re-quoted my statements from my original post in which I openly stated that I knew what my mistakes were, and had learned the lessons. And yet, people still felt they had to post comments like this one...which, whadaya know, I just realized came from YOU:

Well done for making it back - but you must take some responsibility for proceeding with what you knew were potentially unsafe dives. I'd have likely done the same myself but that doesn't change the fact that you knowingly took the chance.

Like I said at the time...what do you want me to do, take out an ad???

Anyway, I do agree with your take-away that renting gear doesn't mean we abdicate our responsibility to check out our gear. And I have heartily agreed with this more times now than I can count. But if posting it one more time helps you, then I'm happy to say it again. Someone else even posted some very detailed instructions on exactly HOW to check out your rental gear, which I intend to save and review in the unlikely event that I ever rent gear again.

I will say this, tho: responsible dive operators keep their gear serviced and well-maintained…and it’s certainly in their best interest to give only working gear to their clients. Defective gear will lead to dead clients – which is not a good business model. But yes, I agree that it is up to us to not assume that dive operators will do the right thing, especially when it's our hides that are on the line. So, I will repeat...lesson learned. And in the meantime, I think it's important for anyone who does end up with an irresponsible dive op, to post publicly of their experience. If I'd read one bad review of Sub-Aqua before I went, I wouldn't have gone with them.

Again, glad you're back safely and please don't think that anyone was taking shots at you. They weren't - we're just all trying to learn as best we can and impart whatever bits of knowledge or experience as best we can (which is also frequently flawed, at least in my case).
Thanks, and I agree that it's a good idea to take these incidents apart and learn from them. I did try to have a thick skin...but that damn ego thing keeps getting in the way. :wink: It also doesn't help that I've been hit with a nasty cold which is making me VERY cranky, and preventing me from getting out and doing some local dives! I feel like I need to get back up on that horse, so to speak, because I keep flashing back on that moment when I went to suck air from my reg...and nuthin came out. I need to get myself underwater again!
 
Hey LeeAnne,

Thanks for your response. I'm not sure if it's the same one but I've got my regs testing checklist printed out myself and have an IP tester now so I can test my kit myself. I'm a lot happier doing this that having my regs serviced as from what I've read on this board it seems to be a common denominator for regs failure. Don't get them serviced unless they are in need of servicing. Establish this by knowing how to test them for yourself. Here's the link - it might be the same one as yours... http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/regulators/260452-regulator-checklist-inspection.html

Anyhow, I just wanted you to realise that people aren't necessarily being snipey with their comments. They're not going to be as emotionally involved in the incident as your are and people's hind sight is always to infinity. I think people frequently say they'd back out of dives under x y and z circumstance but in reality I don't believe people do (this is just my opinion). I went on a sister boat in the Maldives a couple years back after they'd just had 11 injuries and one death from bad air. We knew about it as we set off but we stayed on the boat anyhow. I mitigated that particular risk post trip by getting a CO tester.

Anyhow, save diving and if you've any particular thoughts or questions re diving and travelling or equipment feel free to PM me.

And hope that cold clears up - I recommend hot whiskey with lemon and honey :)

J
 
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