MARP Price Fixing Update - Consumers Win!

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Wholesale pricing is the issue yet to be raised in this very popular thread.

Any legislation will not affect the wholesale price charged. The "big guys"
are buying in pallet and container loads, purchasing, in most cases, at huge discounts,
discounts not ever published.

If the MAP price is eliminated the prices will fall fast. The big will prevail. They will still
have a good margin. The smaller Retailer will, if they choose to match prices, be underbid
every time.

We do have a MAP policy. We have no MARP, no restrictions on e-commerce, we sell parts direct to divers,
our price list is clean and fair. It is simpler that way. We want all our Dealers to do well.

MAP price controls are pretty much standard in the USA scuba business. For any manufacturer to unilaterally drop that control could well result in a serious business decline. But I still doubt the effectiveness of MAP except as a pacifier for the dealers and a thorn for the customers. I can beat almost any MAP price anytime I want to make the effort. It is an advertising restriction and not a sale price restriction.

I also agree that some (maybe many) scuba retailers would have to change their business model if denied the protection from competition afforded by MAP and MARP. While we might well come out of it with less shops, I think they would be healthier and more efficient shops primarily servicing the demands for training, service, gas, and incidentals with less dependence on major gear sales.

I suppose, if manufacturers were denied the use of MAP and other anti-competitive means, they could always drop or seriously reduce the wholesale volume discounts that also put those all so important small dealer in a bind. Oh, but that would make the manufacturer who does that less attractive to larger dealers than those that continue the process.
 
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Independent Scuba shops will "morph" into multiple sports and dive training only and day trip operators to divers in Summer and say for eg. Ski schools or similar in winter to survive.

Dunno, maybe I am wrong, "Hope so".!

Actually that was fairly common at one time. It still is in some sports such as tennis, golf and skiing.
One local dive shop has used that model for 50 years. Full service scuba, boating, hunting, fishing and of all things general hardware. They generally have the lowest prices in the area comparable to online. Unfortunately the owner is up in years and is thinking of retiring, not sure what will happen to the shop but it would be a great loss to the area if it closed.
Dive shop owners come from the ranks of divers so they don't consider being a muilti sport shop but it can be the difference between staying in business and making a decent living or folding.
 
There is nothing wrong with a company, any company, any individual telling another similiar enitity to sell their product for no less than x dollars and make that a condition of selling their product. The person selling product has a choice to agree or not, the person buying also has a choice expressed in their purchase.

You are mistaken. In the USA, that practice was illegal from 1911 until 2007, unless the item was patented (which encouraged innovation).

Both vertical MARP (otherwise known as RPM = Retail Price Maintenance) and horizontal price fixing (collusion you correctly say is illegal), were BOTH illegal, before the Leegin decision in 2007, when a highly contentious 5-4 vote in the Supreme Court overturned the "Dr. Miles" decision from 1911. The Bush administration backed overturning the Miles decision.

37 state attorney generals disagreed with the Bush administration and filed briefs to uphold "Miles."

About Resale Price Maintenance:
Resale price maintenance (RPM), otherwise known as vertical price fixing refers to agreements or other practices between marketers at different levels in a distribution network establishing the resale price of products or services. RPM can take the form of either setting a price floor below which sales cannot occur as in the case of minimum resale price maintenance, or a price ceiling as in maximum resale price maintenance.

About the Supreme Court's Decision in Leegin:
Minimum RPM had been per se unlawful since 1911 under the Supreme Court's decision in Dr. Miles Medical Co. v. John D. Park & Sons Co. The Court's 2007 decision in Leegin Creative Leather Products, Inc. v. PSKS, Inc. reverses that decision, ruling that RPM is no longer per se illegal, but must be evaluated applying a "Rule of reason" analysis. Under this rule, the fact finder weighs all of the circumstances of a case in deciding whether a restrictive practice should be prohibited as imposing an unreasonable restraint on competition. In its design and function the rule of reason is intended to distinguish between restraints with anticompetitive effect that are harmful to consumers and restraints that stimulate competition and are in the consumer's best interest. But litigating a "rule of reason" case is impossibly expensive, even for state governments. So Leegin makes vertical price-fixing de facto legal.
 
I also agree that some (maybe many) scuba retailers would have to change their business model if denied the protection from competition afforded by MAP and MARP. While we might well come out of it with less shops, I think they would be healthier and more efficient shops primarily servicing the demands for training, service, gas, and incidentals with less dependence on major gear sales.

Not disagreeing that dive shops need to find a new business model. Some of the stories that I have read on SB make me shudder and realize how lucky I am to have a good LDS nearby. However, I question why the new model has to be based on low margin and high volume. I struggle with the idea that diving will continue to grow at such a pace to support anything but the largest multi location chain stores if we are to go down this road. We've all read the stories about instructors that went from zero to hero and are now cranking out more unskilled divers ... I doubt anyone on this thread is going to suggest that making dive training a commodity was a good thing, so why would commoditizing the equipment section be any different. For the segment of the population that want the best price always, they have an option ... let those of us who want more then price have an option too.
 
ALL retailers should read what Phil Smith, the Plaintiff
in the Leegin case, has to say...


When sales reps tell you that MARP and MAP policies are in your best interest, is that "The Big Lie?"
("How can we make money if retailers are not in business.")

Phil had championed a manufacturer for 10 years, which repaid the favor
by putting Phil out of business via MARP and MAP tactics (Leegin wanted their own store).
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Comments by Phil Smith, Kay's Kloset
The American Antitrust Institute Press Conference
Price Fixing in the Retail Industry
National Press Club
529 14th Street NW, Washington, D.C.
The First Amendment Lounge (13th Floor)

Good morning. My name is Phil Smith. I am the owner of Kay's Kloset and I was the plaintiff in the Leegin Supreme Court Case. I am here today to tell you the story of my family's store in Dallas and how it failed after 23 years in business. My family retail store was a victim of price fixing in America.

I began working with the Leegin Company in the mid nineties when my store started carrying their Brighton line of products - handbags, belts and other accessories. Over the years, my business invested tens of thousands of dollars on television, newspaper and direct mail ads promoting the Brighton brand. As a result, my business became the place to purchase Brighton products in my market area, and the line accounted for nearly 50 percent of my sales revenue.

As is standard practice in retailing, I would discount Leegin products from time to time, either as part of an in-store promotion, to compete with other Brighton retailers, or to help move aging inventory. In addition, my store was in close proximity to the airport. To stay competitive with airport shops, I matched the 20% discount the Brighton retailers in the airport offered to all airport and airline employees. I even extended this discount to all of my customers, because I didn't feel it was fair to offer different prices based solely on where a customer was employed.

In 2002, my Leegin sales rep repeatedly sought to get me to stop discounting their product line to all customers. They demanded that I immediately remove the sale signs and adjust all prices. Through conversations with antitrust authorities and some basic research on the internet, I learned that Leegin's conduct was illegal and they, as a manufacturer, could not dictate a minimum price for the products in my store. After refusing to comply with their multiple requests to raise prices, Leegin ceased supplying their line of Brighton products to my store.

The loss of the Brighton line of products was devastating and led to the eventual failure of my family's retail store. Leegin not only ceased supply, but instituted a form of punishment by aggressively targeting my customers with special offers for Brighton products at competing stores. My total store sales fell 32% the first year and 50% the second year. We ultimately closed our doors in October of this year.

My story of coercion and intimidation to fix retail prices in America is a decades old story in the retail industry. Back in 1991, former FTC Commissioner Terry Calvani was quoted in the New York Times as saying "Antitrust enforcers can recount scores of retailers calling their offices, too scared to give their names, telling of coercion and intimidation by manufacturers representatives and rival dealers because their prices were too low?"

While other retailers remained anonymous, I stood my ground against Leegin's threats and followed the clear law that agreements to fix prices violate the Sherman Antitrust Act. I took Leegin to court where the jury found that they had indeed entered into price fixing agreements and terminated my store's supply when I refused to raise prices.
Leegin didn't appeal the jury's finding that they engaged in price fixing for their Brighton brand of products but instead appealed the 96 year old law banning price fixing all the way to the Supreme Court.

It's that Supreme Court decision that we are all here to talk about today... and I want to tell you where I believe the Supreme Court's decision will lead the retail industry.


From 23 years of experience, I know that the process of ordering goods is the most important ongoing decision a retailer makes. The nature of the fashion industry is that it suffers a short shelf life. The supply of most everything in the fashion industry is finite, only so much is ever produced each season. The fact is, most everything in the fashion industry is marked down at the end of each selling season to make room for the next seasons styles. Allowing manufacturers to fix prices will force the American retailers to hold onto poor performing inventory and to operate contrary to their own economic self interest. It is an insult to my status as an independent retailing entrepreneur to have my prices dictated by a manufacturer.

Allowing price fixing will result in higher retail prices, lower store sales volumes, lower store profits and higher business failures.
The American retailer in its own desire to maintain the flow of goods for resale will be forced to sign manufacturer imposed price fixing contracts. This will only be the start of inefficient, regretful, and eventual cartel behavior. It will not be hard to imagine significant numbers of retailers spying on each other to catch and report to the manufacturer deviations from price fixing contracts. Armed with powerful price fixing contracts (especially liquidated damage clauses for sales below mandated prices) the manufacturers now become the commerce police. American retailers will come under the powerful thumb of manufacturers to operate contrary to their own economic best interest. Without the legally protected right of price competition in the marketplace, the American consumer will always be on the losing end. With all the pricing power, manufacturers cannot be trusted to treat the retail market in a fair manner.

I commend the Federal Trade Commission in their announcement to conduct public workshops on this price fixing issue. I would respectfully ask that the facts of Leegin be included in the "examples of actual conduct" portion of the workshops.

My reason for being in Washington today is to urge all of elected officials to address the problems caused by the Leegin Supreme Court decision as soon as possible to prevent the further destruction of price competition in the U.S. retail industry. Price competition is what produces lower prices in the marketplace so that all in society can have a better quality of life. The American dream is under attack with the Leegin Supreme Court decision. I would ask our new President Obama and Vice-President Biden (who is a co-sponsor of legislation in the Senate) to focus on this price fixing issue next year. I ask all this to protect the American Dream and the American way of Life.

Audio from panel speakers at AAI meeting, December 2008, RE antitrust issues harming small retailers
 
Bottom line, you've got his opinion versus that of the Supreme Court. He lost.

Sounds as though he had an opportunity to keep the Brighton line simply by complying with the rules they set forth for their dealers, he chose not to and they stopped supplying. HIS CHOICE was to lose the line. Should any manufacturer be forced to sell to anyone who wishes to carry it's product? In essence he was demanding that they continue to supply him even though he was breaking their rules other dealers followed.

Another time in history that might fly, but not for now at least.
 
Jon - a couple of questions for you:

1) You mention that MARP was illegal up until 2007 unless the item was protected by patent. Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't SP and AL gear protected by patents? And if so then isn't your point mute?

2) I'm not overly familar with the "rule of reason" (ok - I admit not at all), my best guess would be along the lines that provided consumers aren't being hurt then there is no issue. Consumers are allowed to buy any other name brand of scuba gear and still go diving so is my understanding of the rule of reason correct?

Finally not a question but the example you provided (Leegin) ... I'm afraid that I read this as making my point ... make your sale on price and you'll loose it on price too.
 
What can the dive industry learn from the Leegin decision?

A handful of dominant online sellers are surrogates; performing as virtual stores for the major manufacturers. Sure, some do training; but their ratio of training liability costs & payroll vs. income is worlds apart from 80% of LDSs.

The pivotal fight over Leegin was that widespread MAP and MARP would increase consumer prices even on the Internet. And that's exactly what's happened in most other industries. But not for dive gear, despite the ability of any big brand to immediately stop discount pricing by enforcing trademark laws. Gray market is a BIG moneymaker for "Big Dive Gear Mfg., Inc."

Ostriches get your heads out of the sand. Those on top of the pyramid have a clear view of the future. Shop owners must sign personal guarantees to "Big DIve Gear Mfg., Inc." When a shop goes bust, the dive shop owner gets hounded for years to pay his debt. Meanwhile, a doe-eyed would-be retailer falls off the turn-up truck, plunks down $20K or more of earnest money for inventory, and signs on the dotted line to personally guarantee the full value of the inventory (wholesale value worth >$20K, but the manufacturer's cost-of-goods is covered by the guarantee). Restocking may not be allowed for unsold merchandise.

How MARP and MAP can damage all levels of an industry:

Independent retailers get weaker, losing out to the giants who've unfairly rigged the game in their favor.

Innovative smaller companies cannot gain traction when oligarchs control industries. Recent examples from the dive industry include Force-Fin, which won a settlement RE bogus protocols by supposed neutral magazine gear testers; the DOJ's prosecution RE a snorkel company in 1996 proving astonishing collusion in the dive industry involving hundreds of people; my company, HydroOptix, has been targeted by MANY restraint of trade actions.

Consumers are denied innovations, while over-paying for the status quo. But in the dive industry, we're talking life-support equipment.

Certain monopolistic dive companies have blockaded goods and services proven to save lives - since the late 1950's.


Richard Brunell, Director of Legal Advocacy of the AAI, testifies before the House Judiciary Committee's antitrust subcommittee on April 28, discussing resale price maintenance in the period since the Leegin case was decided, criticizing the reasoning of the Supreme Court's opinion and urging a legislative reversal.
 
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1) You mention that MARP was illegal up until 2007 unless the item was protected by patent. Correct me if I'm mistaken but isn't SP and AL gear protected by patents? And if so then isn't your point mute?

ALL Patents expire and cannot be renewed: 20-years from the application date (used to be 17-years from the issue date). So the vast majority of AL & SP products are no longer protected by patents. The concept behind patents is to incentivize innovation, allow a monopoly for a product for a brief period of time - then let the innovation become public domain.

In other industries that involve safety products, it is common to "pool" patents where innovators are reasonably rewarded and the rising tide lifts all boats. In the dive industry, instead, there's been great fighting for decades to prevent any standards and any regulations.

Patent infringement is common involving the major companies of the dive industry. The cost to litigate for infringement is not practicable given the size of the industry, unless you're backed by the legal department of a publicly traded company.

(1) Aqualung has sued Scubapro for infringing ALs BCD weight-release system. So that's a perfect example of a problem that should involve a patent pool. It's well known that fatal accidents have been caused by weights that dropped when they shouldn't have, or jammed and didn't drop when needed. People die. The industry could share safety innovations. But they don't. They've fought to keep them off the market.

(2) CURRENTLY: there's a dive shop owner who's patented the dry-regulator technology that first appeared in Oceanic first-stages. He approached AL, signed a non-disclosure agreement, and AL went ahead and did it on their own without paying a dime. He sued. AL countersued with VERY clever attorneys that prevent him from putting any other retailers on notice that AL may be infringing his patent if they buy AL regulators with his patented concept. AL's counter-suit argues that his THREE patents should not have been issued - that the idea is not patentable. AL has dragged the suit out 4 years with unethical defense tactics (delay and attrition).


2) I'm not overly familar with the "rule of reason" (ok - I admit not at all), my best guess would be along the lines that provided consumers aren't being hurt then there is no issue. Consumers are allowed to buy any other name brand of scuba gear and still go diving so is my understanding of the rule of reason correct?

Read the testimony from Richard Brunell to Congress - just last Tuesday


Finally not a question but the example you provided (Leegin) ... I'm afraid that I read this as making my point ... make your sale on price and you'll loose it on price too.

You guys keep thinking this is just about price, existing in a vacuum of any other factor. Price controls are THE #1 mechanism for a host of other mischief that ultimately harms consumers and hobbles innovative retailers. The core issue is that MARP and MAP take flexibility away from independent local entrepreneurs who want to run their business as they see fit - because they are the EXPERTS for their local business climate. Maybe a particular item gets less popular - blow it out on a discount. Or do package bundles if your local economy suffers a downturn. Or bundle equipment discounts with travel sales. When you empower manufacturers with MARP and MAP you abdicate control to CENTRALIZED command. That didn't work in Russia.

It's lunacy to try and introduce the rugged individualist / manifest destiny / libertarian argument - as if it is the corporation's "right" to impose their will on multiple layers on down the line in an entirely unregulated environment. There's a history in this industry of fraudulently misrepresenting the safety of equipment. How do you square that with libertarian beliefs? That's abdicating free will to Big-Daddy corporations that hide behind armies of lawyers, bolstered by laws that reduce the rights of both consumers and small innovators (i.e. companies with fewer than 1,000 employees).



Sounds as though he had an opportunity to keep the Brighton line simply by complying with the rules they set forth for their dealers, he chose not to and they stopped supplying. HIS CHOICE was to lose the line. Should any manufacturer be forced to sell to anyone who wishes to carry it's product? In essence he was demanding that they continue to supply him even though he was breaking their rules other dealers followed.

You don't understand the facts of the case. Let's work backwards from your quote...

(A) The "rules" you believe Phil Smith was "breaking" was not agreeing to comply to a manufacturer that was egregiously violating a 96-year old law. The manufacturer lost their earlier litigation. Their appeal to the Supreme Court was not to overturn their earlier loss (violating Sherman 1), it was to question the underpinnings of Miles.

(B) Manufacturers should not be compelled to sell to a retailer who is incompetent or cannot maintain an "image" of their own business that reflects appropriately on the manufacturer's product. But PRICE-CONTROL was found to be an inappropriate constraint - and has been prosecuted as such since 1911. Then a few attorneys in the Bush administration agreed to see if their 5-vote majority in the Supreme Court could change the rules to benefit major corporations that had political connections. Before the Supremes voted, 37 state attorney generals disagreed and filed briefs to object, explaining why it was in the states' best interests to preserve "Miles."

(C) Phil had invested years and tens of thousands of dollars to promote the products of the manufacturer. Phil just wanted flexibility to rotate discounts if he had to blow out old inventory. But Leegin wanted to own their own stores. The loyalty did not flow both ways.

Independent retailers in the dive industry should be very concerned about future availability and terms of major lines of gear, for they have lost most forms of legal leverage. Sure, you and your regional sales rep are best buddies today. But when a better arrangement comes along, those years of loyalty are quickly forgotten.

Daylight is a great disinfectant.
 
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