Local IHOP Discriminates against US Armed Services Personnel

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I am a veteran. I served on active duty and in the Reserves. This type of behavior bothers me.

When I was a squad leader in the Reserves, many of my people were working entry level jobs, serving in the Reserves and going to school. Those jobs were important to them because they needed the money. It frosts me that some greaseball fast food manager for a failing chain thinks that they can pull this type of garbage.

FWIW, if the phone number and the manager's first name were to somehow appear on this Board, I'm sure a few of us wouldn't mind calling him/her and asking about his discriminatory policies. Personally, I'd be willing to ask several times each day until I got a response. LOL.
 
Just to play devils advocate here... personally I find it hard to belive that a manger would be stupid enough to tell someone they are fired because they joined the reserves. Another likely scenario is that the boy was not performing well and the manager was looking for an excuse to fire him. Last minute notice that you can't show up for a difficult time slot simply provided the excuse.
 
(who eats there anyway). The mgr was confronted over the firing and his account of unsatisfactory work as causation was less than compelling. The fact that this is a min wage job is irrelevant.

You'd think corporate would be all over this cretin for his dumbass move.
 
chrpai,

This is a slap in the face of American svc personnel. I am offended by what happened. I work for one of the Largest Computer MFG's in the world so don't lecture me about it. One of my Teammember's is in the Reserves, he's a Major and works in the S-3 Shop for his unit. So I understand the differance but it has nothing to do with the type of Job or pay but has all to do about a Company and individules discriminating against Service Personnel. How can you say just because he's not making 6 figgures that it's ok. Are you saying that the law only applies to people with good jobs.

<racist remarks removed>

It's about him being discriminated against because he wants to serve his country. It's the principle of the issue which is discriminiation and against the law. It's not the job or the pay. My son wouldn't go back to work for them after this no matter what happened.

Geek
 
I just wanted to thank you and your son for serving our country. My sister is in the reserves and has told me that its harder to find a job being in the reserves because of time off. Please if you are a manager somewere remember these are the people who should be given prefrence. Thank you for your service.
 
GeekDiver:
Both of my Grandfathers served in the Navy. One in WWII and the other in WWI. I also have family that served in the Army Air corp and the Navy.

So... how'd things turn out that some of the family turned into ground pounders? Masochistic or something? ;)
My own kid wound up "airborne infantry" (I'm former Navy). Kids are sure rebellious sometimes, eh?
 
GeekDiver:
chrpai,

This is a slap in the face of American svc personnel. I am offended by what happened. I work for one of the Largest Computer MFG's in the world so don't lecture me about it. One of my Teammember's is in the Reserves, he's a Major and works in the S-3 Shop for his unit. So I understand the differance but it has nothing to do with the type of Job or pay but has all to do about a Company and individules discriminating against Service Personnel. How can you say just because he's not making 6 figgures that it's ok. Are you saying that the law only applies to people with good jobs.

<racist remarks removed>
It's about him being discriminated against because he wants to serve his country. It's the principle of the issue which is discriminiation and against the law. It's not the job or the pay. My son wouldn't go back to work for them after this no matter what happened.

Geek

Geekdiver-

If you think you have such a strong case, then go retain counsel.

Meanwhile your accusations here have not been backed up with any proof.

You need to go back and reread what I said. I never said it was 'ok' I agreed that it was 'B.S.'

The only thing I'm trying to tell you is that if you look at this from a pragmatic perspective instead of a highly charged emotional persective you might realize that there really isn't any point in pursuiting this.
 
GeekDiver:
<business owner info removed>

He shoudn't give you any details, it is against employment laws to disclose employee records to third parties.
 
GeekDiver:
...Once he informed his Mgr that he was joining and asked to get off early his Mgr then informed him he was fired. The reason his mgr gave was is that they needed people they could count on to be available to work and that his reserve commitment would interfere with work.
...“Yes”. I asked again your Mrg told you he was firing you because you joining up” his replied again was “Yes he told me I was fired because I joined the Reserves”.

I hear your outrage and as a Vet myself I too feel it. Been there, done that, lost the job. Product manager for large company, went away for 2 weeks Annual Training and was not allowed to re-engage in my job upon my return. Employment terminated two weeks after my return. Reason given “You learned you job better and faster than we thought you would (had been on job 30 days before AT) and I have been trying to think of a reason I could give you. Best I can tell you is you are just too disciplined” Of course this was years before 9-11, and I just moved on with my life.

Unfortunately timing is everything. It can (and probably will) be argued that because your son (here after called HE) was fired BEFORE he swore in at MEPS, he is not at the time of his termination a member of the National Guard, Reserves or Armed Forces of any kind. He is just a civilian who has unexpectedly asked for time off on short notice from his job so he can go and accept another part time position. Now the question will be does the below come into play? Note the use of the word prospective employer and specifically sites “or apply to be a member of a uniformed service”.

To quote from a section of the statue:
Prohibition Of Discrimination Or Reprisal
USERRA provides that an employer or a prospective employer cannot deny you initial employment, reemployment, retention in employment, promotion, or any benefit of employment because you are a member of, apply to be a member of, or have been a member of a uniformed service or because you perform, have performed, apply to perform, or have an obligation to perform service in the uniformed services. [Section 4311(a)] USERRA also provides that it is unlawful for an employer to discriminate against you or to take any adverse employment action against you because you take an action to enforce rights under USERRA, for yourself or anyone else, because you have testified in or assisted a USERRA investigation, or because you have exercised any right under USERRA. [Section 4311(c)] This provision was included because there have been cases wherein employers have fired witnesses who have provided information to the Department of Labor or who testified in VRR cases.

If one of the above protected activities (service in the uniformed services, etc.) was a motivating factor (not necessarily the only factor) in an adverse action taken against you by an employer or a prospective employer, such action is unlawful unless the employer can prove (not just say) that the action would have been taken even in the absence of the protected activity. [Section 4311(b)] This provision overrules Sawyer v. Swift & Co., 836 F.2d 1257 (10th Cir. 1988), a VRR case which held that to prove a violation of Section 4301(b)(3) of the VRR law it was necessary to establish that an employee's firing was motivated solely by his or her military obligations.

http://www.jagcnet.army.mil/JAGCNET...3e164b2308f7dee6852568ad00205ee4?OpenDocument.


Unfortunately I am hearing more and more from both Reservist and National Guard soldiers that they are job hunting and in the 2nd or 3rd interview the question will be asked "do you have any Reserve or National Guard Obligation?" when they reply in the affirmative, they can feel the chill come on the interview and it is effectively over. Just take heart in knowing that the Reserves and National Guard are a tight family and we have come to understand this type of prejudice behavior. We do take care of our own and the Reserve Unit to which he is assigned will fall in, unofficially of course, as brothers and sisters in arms to help him locate other employment, often with a current or former member of the Armed Services.

The Disclaimer: The above is not legal advice, or even good advice but constitutes only my humble (ok, so it’s not so humble) opinion and should not relied upon in any manner. Author is not an attorney or other informed individual and may not even be sane (heck I dive don’t I). Just my two cents.

32 years and counting. :bigun2:
 
BOB3

The Grandfathers became farmers after getting out so that may account for the change.

Being a diver I tried to talk him into the coast guard. The Army in me sugested 00B which is an Army Diver MOS. He actualy wants to be a Chaplin but he doesn't have a degree yet. They don't have an open slot for chaplins Asst so his plan is to get in then move into a chaplins slot when he can. He has ambitions of going to ORU in Ok when he gets out of HS.As for me I was Air Defense. I got out after 6 yrs service (not to mention time in Korea and the Gulf war) when my 1st wife left me and I got full custody on my Kids. My father's first duty in Nam was with F Co 50 th Inf LRRP 75 th (thats a ranger for those who don't know) in '68 the in 72 as a helo pilot.
 

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