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Thanks Mayor,

Well, we do pledge not to spam our owners when they give us their email addresses (and we won't), so this is why I'm not sending weekly "progress reports." I am happy to provide and update here for you though.

The software update is finished but there is a chance we're making to the loader program. It seems there are some temperamental PCs (enter pro-Mac comments here) out there that are playing "hard-to-get," so we need to get them to play-nice before we can send it out publicly. Forgive me - I'm not a "technical" type so that's the best I can describe it.

Among the changes in the software update we're increasing the accuracy with the time-of-day clock, correcting the "shut down" concern if the unit thinks the battery is dead (when it's not), adding a low-battery power-conservation mode to keep the unit running as long as possible in case the user didn't replace the battery when prompted to, and of course, we're adding the long-awaited "Stopwatch Default on/off" menu setting that everyone has been asking for.

There shouldn't be any other news really until the update is distributed, but if there is I will certainly share it. If you are a Xen owner, please ensure your email address is accurate in our system. Also, if you "like" us on Facebook ("Liquivision Products"), we'll post news and information there as well as promotions and other fun stuff - trust me, pretty soon it'll be a very good thing to be on our FB page for both owners and future-owners. ;)

Thank you again for your understanding and patience. We're kicking hard and are almost there.

-Doug
Liquivision Marketing & Sales Manager

Doug,
Maybe updates of some sort on the Liquivision Forums are the answer? That way it gets to the interested owners on their time.

Just a though,
AJ
 
So, an update to my previous posts regarding the Xen.

So I decided that instead of complaining about isolated issues I would reach out to Doug/Liquivision by sending them a PM. I discussed my frustrations with the two issue I have brought up previously, and Doug patiently explained what the deal is with the update and such. I wont go into specifics here, because they are irrelevant. BUT, I would like to say that he explained some issues I wasn't aware of before, and it seems that LV is quite on top of things with regard to making a solid update for everyone--the response from LV was quite nice I must say.

I have no doubt that with the update the Xen will be the most useful and solid BT on the market and worth the money I paid for it; it certainly made the 11 dives in florida very enjoyable, and will no doubt be perfect once the small changes LV high-lighted in its posts are made.

I will likely post a more thorough review (for anyone that cares what I think) once I get the update and dive it some more.
 
Greetings,

I have been reading with interest this thread concerning the Xen. I see that Doug has chimed in several times, but I think my post may be interesting, as I was one of the Beta testers of the Xen. I am motivated to write this because I think the Xen is an excellent piece of kit. I have to admit that I initially questioned the “tapping” process of scrolling through menus, etc., but with the latest beta software update, I hardly do this at all, and simply start my stopwatch and reset it a few times during even complex diving. I understand from Doug’s posts that this will be part of the newest software update and that should pretty much address all the concerns I see on this thread. Then you just have to put up with a big OLED display, in a small form factor, that can be bungied to your arm, that is downloadable, that can receive software updates, that has a user replaceable battery…. :D Bummer….

I don’t know about the specifics about the beta group selection process, but when I saw the names of my fellow testers, I was able to make a few general observations: we are all, without exception, very active divers. We would be able to provide a lot of feedback to LV. The type of diving we regularly engage in is exactly the market for the Xen. We don’t dive with computers; we use bottom timers and depth gauges exclusively. The type of diving we regularly do also encompasses various environments, from caves to deep-ocean technical diving involving significant decompression, to Sunday afternoon recreational scooter diving. We dive in fresh water and salt water, we dive in water of various temperatures and we dive both night and day.

It is important to note that the group of beta testesr for the Xen does all of the things mentioned above. I understand that many people do some of all those things, but it is more unusual to find individuals who do them all. From a simple point of getting the best feedback from a limited group, it stands to reason that you would try to get as much done as you could. Selecting a group who can give the most varied feedback is just smart R&D. Once those requirements had been met, I am sure there were other ancillary requirements to selecting the beta group. I don’t know what they were but I can assure you that being “friends” was not one of them, as I had never met Doug from LV before he passed me over a Xen to test.

Another couple of things to consider about beta testing with something like the Xen: It is more than just strapping on a depth gauge and going for a dive. When you are testing something in an extreme environment, it is important that the tester’s have the additional capacity to monitor the new equipment as sometimes it is difficult to notice when things go non-linear. How do you know that this new equipment is operating correctly? What is your comparison, particularly when it really matters? In this case, I am referring specifically to technical diving and the fact that decompression is a function of depth and time, and whether you are calculating your decompression beforehand with tables, or adjusting it based on changed dive parameters, it is, shall I say, “useful” to know that the measurements your instrument (s) is (are) providing are accurate. Garbage in, garbage out, and this could have significant consequences with respect to decompression. It would be unethical in the extreme to ask someone without demonstrated ability at handling extra task loading to test a piece of equipment in an extreme environment. Sitting here on my sofa, it is easy to suggest “just carry an extra bottom timer and use it if you suspect things aren’t working” and that is partially true. However, every extra piece of equipment results in extra task loading and I have watched divers come completely unglued with something as simple as trying to clip off their SPG…

Long story short, selecting a beta test group is a bit of a balancing act. The plan is to gather useful information from additional sources that don’t necessarily share the same “tunnel vision” that the software and hardware engineers develop from working on a project (why do you think authors get someone else to proofread their manuscripts?) At the same time, you need to select a group that will give you the biggest bang for your buck in terms of limited testing units etc.

Okay, so why even bother being part of a beta test group if the task is so “onerous”? :D I believe that I could speak for all the testers when I say that we really just wanted a gauge that did everything that we wanted it to do: Simple as that. I had an opportunity to participate in the testing and provide substantive change to something that I really wanted. In return I just had to dive with the Xen and provide my feedback to LV with requested changes. And kudus to Xen in that many of the changes you are getting from software updates etc., are direct reflections of the beta group’s suggestions. Nothing is foolproof to the sufficiently talented fool and we provided lots of data for LV from that perspective. “Doug, I can’t get the software to update” . “Guy did you make sure your PC was turned on”….. Okay, so maybe it wasn’t that bad but for some of us (maybe only me…) who were a bit PC challenged, Doug from LV would reply to emails at all hours of the day and night.

I have been part of beta test groups before and our suggestions from those groups tended to vanish into hyperspace somewhere. This was definitely not the case with my experience with the Xen. What you have now directly reflects much of the feedback of the beta test group. I am only sorry for you guys in Florida that I was unable to get “hot pink” as the default colour for your OLED screens…..:-) Maybe I can convince Doug to put that in the next software update as a function of Zip code or email. At least maybe I can get that done to AJ’s unit……:D

And yes, I have to return my beta test unit after the testing is complete. I expect I will be finished my run of tests sometime in 2023, or sooner if LV sends somebody bigger than me to my house…

Best,

Guy
 
Doug,
Maybe updates of some sort on the Liquivision Forums are the answer? That way it gets to the interested owners on their time.

Just a though,
AJ

I think he was talking about me :) I did have some .. problems with my xen and kudos to the LV folks for addressing them and letting me come by after hours so they could check it out.
 
Quick sat dive........ In the water the unit was a dream to use as so many posters have commented. Diving as a team I had no issues reading my buddies xen. Going through the menus was very easy and the stop watch short cut was a great addition to the software. Can't wait to spend more time in the water with it.

Left the camera in the car but next time will try and get some video. :D
 
Sold my Tec2G but hesitate to order Xen...

The water temperature here is around 4C(39F) degrees all year round. Does anyone have experience in continious Xen usage under similar conditions? Just wondering about it's battery life in cold water diving.
 
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Did you take a bribe or are you not allowed to say?

So, an update to my previous posts regarding the Xen.

So I decided that instead of complaining about isolated issues I would reach out to Doug/Liquivision by sending them a PM. I discussed my frustrations with the two issue I have brought up previously, and Doug patiently explained what the deal is with the update and such. I wont go into specifics here, because they are irrelevant. BUT, I would like to say that he explained some issues I wasn't aware of before, and it seems that LV is quite on top of things with regard to making a solid update for everyone--the response from LV was quite nice I must say.

I have no doubt that with the update the Xen will be the most useful and solid BT on the market and worth the money I paid for it; it certainly made the 11 dives in florida very enjoyable, and will no doubt be perfect once the small changes LV high-lighted in its posts are made.

I will likely post a more thorough review (for anyone that cares what I think) once I get the update and dive it some more.
 
Did you take a bribe or are you not allowed to say?

I actually havent had that many dives on it since having updated the software, and I was hoping to have a few more dives on it to write a more thorough review. But, I will add a few thoughts.

Since updating the software, much of the original kinks I complained about are worked out. I still wish that there was a default on/start setting for the zen, but the new tap interface makes starting the stopwatch a breeze--it takes maybe 2 seconds at most.

The battery life is not as high as a tec2g by far, but the benefits of having a bright screen that can be read by your buddies as easily as if it was in front of their face cannot be ignored. That kind of visibility makes it nice because you barely have to move your head to have a ton of information--that is especially true in low light/no light situations such as wrecks/ low vis water, at night, or in a cave. The manual and liquivision are very candid about the battery life depending on colors--i would recommend the most conservative color scheme.

As far as the recent post goes: it seems that battery life does suffer a bit in colder water, although my use of the zen in cold water was with the older firmware--I havent been in water <45F since then. You have to be aware of the way the battery works though and how the zen is able to determine the battery life left. Since the battery seems to be designed as a constant voltage with steep dropp-off at the end a decrease in voltage due to cold conditions may mean that the zen thinks it has a shorter battery life left than there is. I could be wrong about all this, but I think i understand it correctly.

In short, the zen does what it is designed to do very well. It is a great BT/DG and is easy as pie to see. The realistically it should provide 25-30 strong hours of diving on each battery (at least that is how it felt), but that may be slightly variable on temperature of the water. Its dive logging capabilities are nice and I hope more 3rd party dive logging software programs start interfacing with it. Liquivisions dive log software is rudimentary, but is actually quite impressive when it comes to recording and tracking many variables. I particularly like the feature with allows you to highlight a portion of a dive profile and see averages for that segment of the dive.

I havent sold mine, and it goes with me on every dive.
 
a buddy who shall remain nameless has had to replace the battery twice already since getting his when it launched. that sounds like a lot to me
 

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