Lessons to be learned-Death in Palau

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Hank49:

One billion reef hooks over a period of four billion years = 1 reef hook every four years. Yeah, I'd say that maybe a mooring buoy might cause more damage than one reef hook every four years.

With that said, the point isn't being missed, and I'd like to see the data that mooring buoys are more damaging to a reef than reef hooks. The initial post said that they broke off fragments of coral, indicating it's a rather common thing for reef hooking to do. Once the mooring buoy is fastened, does it continue to break off fragments of corral?
 
Firebrand:
One billion reef hooks over a period of four billion years = 1 reef hook every four years. Yeah, I'd say that maybe a mooring buoy might cause more damage than one reef hook every four years.

With that said, the point isn't being missed, and I'd like to see the data that mooring buoys are more damaging to a reef than reef hooks. The initial post said that they broke off fragments of coral, indicating it's a rather common thing for reef hooking to do. Once the mooring buoy is fastened, does it continue to break off fragments of corral?

OOOOHHHhhhhh. I was thinking in terms of the total cummulative damage of 1 billion pokes in the reef.
There are different types of moorings. If a large block of cement is dropped into the sand areas between reefs, there is little damage. The chain that attaches the block to the rope that goes to the buoy can move around in choppy conditions but if the cement is say, 4-6 feet high the chain shouldn't hit any surrounding coral. If, on the other hand, there is no sand area, some coral will get smashed. But it should be a one time deal and may not be as large as 1 billion pokes from hooks.
 
Ok, I'll accept that! I'm sure Triton was talking collectively of the one billion reef hooks too!
 
You can obtain a reef hook at your local dive store. They are about the size of your hand in terms of length, and the curved portion is about the size of your fingers when bent. Normally you would attach a nylon line to the eyelet, and a T-handle to the other end of the line. If everyone did only that, there would never be a problem (except to reef hugging environmentalists who feel that using these somehow damages the reef -- it does not).

The problem arises when you attach a bolt snap, or worse, a gate clip, to the end of the line.

In the accident, the divers could not unclip their lines due to the force of the ripping current. Plan B is draw your knife and cut the line. Many tropical divers do not bring knives with them however.

Solutions:

1) Never hook up to a reef with a reef hook.

Evaluation: never going to happen. Reef hooks are very popular for viewing sea life on non-drift dives.

2) Never clip a reef hook line to your B/C.

Evaluation: valid for non-photographers. Never going to happen for photographers, since they need their hands free.
 
triton94949:
The problem arises when you attach a bolt snap, or worse, a gate clip, to the end of the line.
What's wrong with a gate clip on a reef hook line or jon line?

I am assuming that the reason people have difficulty unhooking in a strong current is that it's difficult to get the needed slack to remove the boltsnap or clip. Is this guess correct ???

If so, then adding an extra eye as a handgrip a couple feet from the diver end of the line would seem to be a good idea, as would the alternative of using webbing, like in a jon line.

Does anybody have any constructive suggestions on how to improve the safety of reef hooking?

Charlie Allen
 
Charlie99:
Does anybody have any constructive suggestions on how to improve the safety of reef hooking?

Charlie Allen
Tie the end of the line to a D ring on our BCD using a velcro loop. If you can't pull in the slack, loose the velcro. You will leave the hook behind but get it next visit.
 
Reef hooking is a normal part of the diving in Palau. It's not some crazy dive plan that somebody straps you to the reef. Actually, it can be the most relaxing way to dive because you just hook in and float and watch. You get to see a lot of amazing action and sharks are floating right next to you. Huge schools of fish going by, sharks everywhere.

I had more problem with keeping hook in in between "gusts" of current, because the lull would tend to flow the opposite way like surge. You just need a lot of air to float off the reef and you're good. As long as you hover over the reef and then inflate, you don't harm the reef. But my experience showed not everyone was concerned about that. Which is unfortunate because as I said it was one of the easiest dives to do once you're hooked. You don't feel the current really until you get close to the reef, then you get swept across it so you have to have your altitude and heading right to be low enough to hook in but high enough to not hurt the reef critters.

I attached it to my BCD cumberbund area and it was only a rope. A T handle would not be good in my opinion because you would need to balance it by holding with both hands.

I don't understand. Doesn't everyone dive with knife or better, shears? And a backup. You're highly suspectible to tangling underwater, in vegetation or even fishing line or fishing net. You don't have the luxury of time to get out of it. I wouldn't consider diving without them in Monterey.

I'd have to think that she knocked herself unconscious and then drowned.

Main problem is here is too many people for the dive guide and breakdown of the buddy system. On the BBE, we were split into two dive boats of 8 people each at the beginning, and it was always 2 guides for 6 or more people, maybe one for 5 people or less. The biggest thing being we watched out for each other. Don't go diving with your California attitude of not talking to anyone. Though that's not my attitude, I live in California so I know how you don't know your neighbor. That goes out the window when you're diving. Whether you're speaking different languages or what, you're a team underwater to look out for each other. Once a minute, you look around at how people are doing. Make sure everyone is there and what's the leader doing. And you have to stay close enough to do that, not scattered about.

You stay together and you hook in, with guides on the outside or toward the exit direction. You look around enjoy the view, then look at your buddy, then look at the other team members. Everyone look OK? Do the same thing again. You have to do this because they could save your life and you could save theirs.

Having guides whose sole interest is in watching you rather than diving is the first thing. Having the right ratio of divers to guides is the next essential thing. Being prepared yourself with your gear is the next. You're underwater, be prepared and leave the skin diving to snorkeling. Next is physical condition to dive. You have to be strong enough to handle conditions. And communicate up front with other divers. What hand signals do they use: what's out of air, etc. Diving in foreign lands means they do things diffferently. Figure it out topside. Who cares if they don't like you talking to them. You could be saving their life in 15 minutes. Be a team, not a group of individuals.

It's too late for this poor person.

Where do you go when you die in diving heaven?
 
BTW: The dives off Peleliu are the most difficult with the most action.



Shasta_man:
Reef hooking is a normal part of the diving in Palau. It's not some crazy dive plan that somebody straps you to the reef. Actually, it can be the most relaxing way to dive because you just hook in and float and watch. You get to see a lot of amazing action and sharks are floating right next to you. Huge schools of fish going by, sharks everywhere.

I had more problem with keeping hook in in between "gusts" of current, because the lull would tend to flow the opposite way like surge. You just need a lot of air to float off the reef and you're good. As long as you hover over the reef and then inflate, you don't harm the reef. But my experience showed not everyone was concerned about that. Which is unfortunate because as I said it was one of the easiest dives to do once you're hooked. You don't feel the current really until you get close to the reef, then you get swept across it so you have to have your altitude and heading right to be low enough to hook in but high enough to not hurt the reef critters.

I attached it to my BCD cumberbund area and it was only a rope. A T handle would not be good in my opinion because you would need to balance it by holding with both hands.

I don't understand. Doesn't everyone dive with knife or better, shears? And a backup. You're highly suspectible to tangling underwater, in vegetation or even fishing line or fishing net. You don't have the luxury of time to get out of it. I wouldn't consider diving without them in Monterey.

I'd have to think that she knocked herself unconscious and then drowned.

Main problem is here is too many people for the dive guide and breakdown of the buddy system. On the BBE, we were split into two dive boats of 8 people each at the beginning, and it was always 2 guides for 6 or more people, maybe one for 5 people or less. The biggest thing being we watched out for each other. Don't go diving with your California attitude of not talking to anyone. Though that's not my attitude, I live in California so I know how you don't know your neighbor. That goes out the window when you're diving. Whether you're speaking different languages or what, you're a team underwater to look out for each other. Once a minute, you look around at how people are doing. Make sure everyone is there and what's the leader doing. And you have to stay close enough to do that, not scattered about.

You stay together and you hook in, with guides on the outside or toward the exit direction. You look around enjoy the view, then look at your buddy, then look at the other team members. Everyone look OK? Do the same thing again. You have to do this because they could save your life and you could save theirs.

Having guides whose sole interest is in watching you rather than diving is the first thing. Having the right ratio of divers to guides is the next essential thing. Being prepared yourself with your gear is the next. You're underwater, be prepared and leave the skin diving to snorkeling. Next is physical condition to dive. You have to be strong enough to handle conditions. And communicate up front with other divers. What hand signals do they use: what's out of air, etc. Diving in foreign lands means they do things diffferently. Figure it out topside. Who cares if they don't like you talking to them. You could be saving their life in 15 minutes. Be a team, not a group of individuals.

It's too late for this poor person.

Where do you go when you die in diving heaven?
 
OWSI176288:
The problem is you should of been taught to breath without a mask. And divers need to practice this skill once in awhile. A good time is at the end of a safety stops while hanging out at 15 feet.

Good point! I am DEFINITELY going to practice this on my next safety stop - never occurred to me before.
 

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