sheck33
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i must be missing something then, why would ISingles ever have any advantage over manifolded doubles?
Left side regulator???? Which one??
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i must be missing something then, why would ISingles ever have any advantage over manifolded doubles?
cornfed
Mindless lemming
Fine... but then after you address the reg issue you then go back to tackle the others only to find that the regs aren't an issue.
Cornfed
A Dacor reg IS an issue to me... and that's all this thread should be about. Isn't it?
dlarbale
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Spurtil,
Stick to decent regs and don't worry about left and right - just my view on things.
I've done the deep air independants and having one reg on a backup and the other clipped off is the same as keeping left and right but you get the reg that you want!
Dave.
Stick to decent regs and don't worry about left and right - just my view on things.
I've done the deep air independants and having one reg on a backup and the other clipped off is the same as keeping left and right but you get the reg that you want!
Dave.
Sorry guys, I can see that manifolding is safer. However I disagree that independents are a "Death wish". ?Its just a different dive style, you ensure each bottle holds enough in reserve to do your stops and make your ascent. If either bottle goes you still have the other. Whether you are manifolding or not if one bottle goes you're going to abandon the dive and head up. IF both bottles fail you are in trouble whether you are manifolded or not. So on the major difference in that you are required to have a larger reserve in each tank, so its less efficient.
I'm not a hard core tekkie, so i want the ease of diving to 20m on one bottle, so manifolding is out as i am not VIP'ing and O2 cleaning any more bottles than i have (WAY too dear)
I'm not going to start a flame war here so can we get back to the issue of a regulator that can be rigged to operate on the left????
I'm not a hard core tekkie, so i want the ease of diving to 20m on one bottle, so manifolding is out as i am not VIP'ing and O2 cleaning any more bottles than i have (WAY too dear)
I'm not going to start a flame war here so can we get back to the issue of a regulator that can be rigged to operate on the left????
>> If either bottle goes you still have the other <<
Bottles do not fail !!!! First & Second stages do. The beuty
of manifold tanks is that you can take advantage of the gas
in both tanks.
Can i ask you a question ? Why do you dive doubles ?
Anyone can tell you 101 reasons why the indepen. will kill you.
Let me start by a 1st stage regulator failure on the unused tank in a wreck or cave penetration !! Sh$#t you are with a nearly
empty tank and a full that you cannot use.
Calculations and briething some gas from each is the last think you want to do underwater.
But again why should it be me to save your a$$e.
Regulator is the last think you neet to change.
Get some proper training my dear friend. No Agency will allow
Ind. tanks in the course.
Bottles do not fail !!!! First & Second stages do. The beuty
of manifold tanks is that you can take advantage of the gas
in both tanks.
Can i ask you a question ? Why do you dive doubles ?
Anyone can tell you 101 reasons why the indepen. will kill you.
Let me start by a 1st stage regulator failure on the unused tank in a wreck or cave penetration !! Sh$#t you are with a nearly
empty tank and a full that you cannot use.
Calculations and briething some gas from each is the last think you want to do underwater.
But again why should it be me to save your a$$e.
Regulator is the last think you neet to change.
Get some proper training my dear friend. No Agency will allow
Ind. tanks in the course.
Do you know anything about diving independents or are we just jumping in here with both feet???
The empty bottle???? There is no empty bottle for a number of reasons. You switch you regs every 10, bar, 20, 50 bar whatever, so you drain both bottles at the same rate. You leave enoughg in each bottle to do you deco stops and away you go. The main reason for this is so yo don't end up in the exact situation you mentioned.
I'm using idependents to do dives i could do on a single cylinder, i.e. minimum deco. I use the second cylinder for redundancy not increase the available air.
You seem to have this obsession with training. I'm not a cave dive, i don't penertrate deep wrecks and i tend to dive a single cylinder. However i would like a bit of redundancy on cetain dives without the cost of fixed twins. A pony would be nice but essentially works out at the same cost as a second bottle so i went with a second bottle. Not the ideal set up but better than a single cylinder.
The empty bottle???? There is no empty bottle for a number of reasons. You switch you regs every 10, bar, 20, 50 bar whatever, so you drain both bottles at the same rate. You leave enoughg in each bottle to do you deco stops and away you go. The main reason for this is so yo don't end up in the exact situation you mentioned.
I'm using idependents to do dives i could do on a single cylinder, i.e. minimum deco. I use the second cylinder for redundancy not increase the available air.
You seem to have this obsession with training. I'm not a cave dive, i don't penertrate deep wrecks and i tend to dive a single cylinder. However i would like a bit of redundancy on cetain dives without the cost of fixed twins. A pony would be nice but essentially works out at the same cost as a second bottle so i went with a second bottle. Not the ideal set up but better than a single cylinder.
sheck33
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A 'bottle' CAN fail, that is when the tank neck O-ring fails, unlikely but it can happen.
the statements that ' independent doubles' will 'kill' you and they are a 'deathwish' are just stupid. While independent doubles, or rather singles, very much add complexity and are certainly not optimal under most circumstances, it can be done. Personally i would not dive that way. Most divers do not have the airmanagement skills to do that safely.
Your example is flawed.
If you have a 1st stage failure on your 'full' tank and your other tank is 'near empty' you have been doing something wrong from the beginning and in an emergency you can always take the working 1st stage and put it on the 'full' tank. Of course if you dive SOLO you have a problem.
there is nothing wrong with using your brain under water but it is always best to do most of the planning beforeheand.
as for the original question, i think there are regulators that can be modified to come from either side. The Oceanic omega is a reg that can be used from the left or right as are poseidons.
I think we all understand your concerns. I don't think anyone here -- except the original poster who it strikes me is more than willing to listen to reasoned arguements -- endorses diving ISingles... there just too damn complicated... but I have to take exception to your remark that no agency teaches their use. Several do. Here in NA it's called side-mount diving. I've seen it taught in Australia and the UK. Not sure how much travel you get to do but if you start, you'd better prepare yourself for some strange sights.
Doppler
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