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RiverRat:
Tables. We asked some students after OW if they thought they learned more about Nitrogen loading etc. using the tables or the new eRDP calculator. They said the tables definately got the point across. Learn your computer after the tables so you know what it's actually doing, basically writing a custom table in real time as you dive.

While I agree it's best to learn first with tables, I don't think following arrows around the tables gives you a much better idea what is actually going on with N2 loading and off gassing than pluggin things into the computer or eRDP. What's crucial, in either case, is a good discussion with the instructor about the basic concepts that both of these methods are based on.

Learn the tables, they are always a good backup. You may choose to go with this course if you think the instructor is better than others, but then ask to be shown how to use tables or go figure it out for yourself with some other agency's material.
 
I'm not saying dont learn the tables, but most of our dives here are multilevel and cannot be done within the tables.
 
jbichsel:
True, but tables don't have...algorithims that can be flawed

They don't?

Matthew:
I'm not saying dont learn the tables, but most of our dives here are multilevel and cannot be done within the tables.

I'd be willing to bet that the part I bolded is untrue.
 
Matthew:
I'm not saying dont learn the tables, but most of our dives here are multilevel and cannot be done within the tables.
Uncle Pug knows how it can be done. There is a thread around here somewhere about this.
 
The U.S. Navy no-decompression dive tables have one thing going for them -- they are easy to remember when your computer floods at depth ;)
Do keep in mind that the agencies (SSI, PADI, etc) have more conservative tables for your safety. But running a square profile before your dive is uncomplicated, especially for a first dive. Then stick to the conservative time/depth, jump in with your computer, and enjoy a relaxing journey and a safe surface interval. Remember, it's supposed to be fun, so don't skate near the no-deco edges.
http://www.coralspringsscuba.com/miscellaneous/usn_manual.htm

Specifically, the dive tables are in chapter nine, pg 54 of 70.
http://www.coralspringsscuba.com/usn/Chap09.pdf

Here's the short version:
The Money Rule to get a range of no-deco times/depths. Use quarters, a fifty-cent piece, dollar bills and a $5.
25 ft @ 500 min, 50 ft @ 100 min, 100 ft @ 25 min
The tables say you can stay at 25 ft for 595 minutes, but they don't make $6 bills in the U.S., and after eight hours (480 minutes) I'd have more pressing needs!

The 120 Rule for the middle depths -- add the maximum depth and time to get 120.
60 ft @ 60 min, 70 ft @ 50 min, 80 ft @ 40 min, 90 ft @ 30 min

The Plus-100 Rule for the shallow depths -- note we have three new numbers between 25 ft and 50 ft, and how well the pattern fits.
50 ft @ 100 min, 40 ft @ 200 min, 35 ft @ 300 min, 30 ft @ 400 min, 25 ft @ 500 min

The Minus-5 Rule for the extreme recreational diving depths -- think about air management and the "oh, sh**!" factor in getting back to the 15-foot safety stop on time. Again, three new depths added in a pattern to 5 ATM (132 ft.)
90 ft @ 30 min, 100 ft @ 25 min, 110 ft @ 20 min, 120 ft @ 15 min, 130 ft @ 10 min

Do note how these numbers compare to the dive tables used by your agency and plan accordingly. Divers still get bent using tables and computers! Be conservative, and enjoy your new adventures.
 
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Matthew:
I'm not saying dont learn the tables, but most of our dives here are multilevel and cannot be done within the tables.

This is rich! How did they dive them before computers were invented?
 
new diver chiming in here

I learned on the tables, but my computer was the first thing I bought after mask,fins,snorkle

after my first day of diving, I heard a beeping under water as I was at the end of my second dive.
I thought I was just going crazy since no one else in the group heard it.

I went back to the hotel and pulled the tables out to check my residual nitrogen and fill out my log book.
(which I noticed no one else was doing, but that's another topic)
anyway, I discovered it was my computer beeping and I was about 5 minutes from my
no-decompression limit.
since it was my first day of diving since my open water class
I was busy with my buoyancy and breathing, and I didn't look at my computer as often as I should have.
in the days that followed, and as new divers joined the group
I found myself watching my computer more and more and resulting in much longer dives
because I wasn't going as deep on the second and third dives.

in a nutshell, I found both to be very useful
the tables backed up what my computer was telling me
and I would not have learned to read and understand what my computer was saying without the tables
 
I don't know of any agency that allows certification without a basic knowledge of the tables. I would be very suspect of anyone who offered this. Take the time to learn the tables.
 
Blackwood:
I'd be willing to bet that the part I bolded is untrue.

Our dives involve descending to maximum depth, then the rest of the dive is a slow, gradual, sightseeing ascent along the reef. A 60-70 min. dive with a max depth of 100 ft or more is very common. This is definitely not within the limits of any table.
 

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