LDS's are just too expensive

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I live in a city of 300,000. There are only 2 dive shop. Its not inconceivable that some of the others went belly up because they could not compete with the internet. Ironically the remaining 2 provide superior service.

Part of the blame is with the manufacturers. They will sell at $x if you buy 1000 but $x+5 if you buy only 50. The LDS cannot buy 1000. So their cost is higher. The service they provide is not free. You pay for it in higher prices.
 
This is sorta like the Wal-Mart issue in a way. We owned a small mom and pop store, Wal-MArt came to town, Wal-Mart sold for less than we could buy wholesale for, because Wal-MArt buys in large quanities. Everyone went to Wal-Mart, we had to go out of business. Our old customers were mad because we went out of business as we would order special items. Wal-MArt will not order special items. Now they do not know where to get these items as no one will order them.

Sort of like the LDS and air fills. If you do not support your LDS, then they will have to go out of business, then where do the air fills come from. My bicycle air pump just will not pump up 3400 psi. I have tried internet air fills with a modem and they are just too slow.

It pays to support your LDS. Everyone makes out in the long run! Also a lot of LDS's realize this and will work with you on pricing. They may not be able to get it down to the internet price with frieght, but they can get close enough.

If you wish to buy things from the internet, do so. I have bought some items that I can not find anywhere else. But give the LDS a chance
 
The overheads on an internet retailer are a lot less than a bricks and mortar shop. Look at what happened to Tower Records. Some people think that getting a quality service is worth paying the extra bit by buying from a LDS. For a LDS to survive, service is where they can beat an internet retailer hands down. But it is a free market (allegedly) and we can chose where to buy our stuff from.
 
427Dave:
This is sorta like the Wal-Mart issue in a way. We owned a small mom and pop store, Wal-MArt came to town, Wal-Mart sold for less than we could buy wholesale for, because Wal-MArt buys in large quanities. Everyone went to Wal-Mart, we had to go out of business. Our old customers were mad because we went out of business as we would order special items. Wal-MArt will not order special items. Now they do not know where to get these items as no one will order them.

Sort of like the LDS and air fills. If you do not support your LDS, then they will have to go out of business, then where do the air fills come from. My bicycle air pump just will not pump up 3400 psi. I have tried internet air fills with a modem and they are just too slow.

It pays to support your LDS. Everyone makes out in the long run! Also a lot of LDS's realize this and will work with you on pricing. They may not be able to get it down to the internet price with frieght, but they can get close enough.
i think its kind of funny that we are having this discussion and to the left of our messages, we are being bombarded with online ads. i was just talking to my wife about this. why can't LDS's go online and compete? if you can't beat them why not join them. right?
 
newjack06:
i think its kind of funny that we are having this discussion and to the left of our messages, we are being bombarded with online ads. i was just talking to my wife about this. why can't LDS's go online and compete? if you can't beat them why not join them. right?
Some manufacturers will void warranties if their products are sold on-line. Don't see how they can get away with that but they try.
 
Far_X:
Some manufacturers will void warranties if their products are sold on-line. Don't see how they can get away with that but they try.
thats why you don't buy from that online retailer. belive it or not there are online retailers that are fully authorized. i made sure my equipment was from one. as soon as i got my equipment out of the box, it was registered.
 
Far_X:
The overheads on an internet retailer are a lot less than a bricks and mortar shop.

Have you even read this thread? What online scuba retailers don't have a "bricks and mortar" shop?
 
ReefHound:
Have you even read this thread? What online scuba retailers don't have a "bricks and mortar" shop?
I don't believe you fully understood the opening statement I made. :D
 
I know this has been argued many times and this thread too will soon die, but as a person new to scuba I want to add my $.02 for any retailers who might read this. I value small businesses and local stores. This is true for electronics, cameras, sporting goods and yes, scuba. I resent that my LDS charges pretty much full retail for almost everything, from a McNett microfiber towel to a mask to regulator or BCD. The mask they sell for $63.00 I can buy online for $29.95. Hey, if I don't like it I can throw it in the trash and order a different one and still come out ahead. This means I buy almost everything online. I may buy a regulator locally due to servicing, but more likely will just buy the same brand they sell, but online. I will gladly pay a premium of 10, 15, 20, maybe even 30% for the benefits of advice and actually trying or touching something before purchase. For those things that require fitting or modifications or instruction, etc., I'll pay more. If you maintain demos I can try in your pool, I'll pay a higher premium. But most of the time the premium gets me little or nothing. "All sales are final" or "May be returned for exchange or credit only, no refunds" is what gets printed on my receipt. "Sorry, we don't have one you can try in the pool" or "Sorry our insurance won't let you in the pool unsuspervised and I don't have anyone available that can supervise you this afternoon" or "I don't have it in your size but can order if you want one" is what I hear if I want to try fins, a regulator or BCD. So where's the big benefit? Heck, I can order it in my size without you. "All of our staff are certified instructors who can help you make the right selection" is what you say, but the reality is "All of our staff are underemployed instructors working on commission who want to sell you the most expensive stuff we carry so they can pay their rent next month."

Now maybe for those shops and customers where tank refills and inspections are valuable that service justifies some higher prices, but where I live few of us own our own tanks. I can understand why you have a somewhat limited selection on hand and only a few brands while the online shop offers 8 different brands of regulator, but that should cause you to be more competitive, not less.

Online means you have to wait a week to get it but you save gas and tax and can probably return it if you don't like it. Local means double the price, plus gas, plus tax, plus a hard sell to get the more expensive model plus no return for $ if you don't like it.

I don't need you to match online prices but you need to be competitive. Give me SOME reason to shop with you, please. Sure, I'll pay more for a factory warranty, but that isn't hard to get online either. How about you offer to order it in my size so I can try it BEFORE I agree to buy it. How about saying you'll call the distributor and locate one tomorrow instead of telling me there is one coming in on the next shipment in a few weeks? How about telling me not to buy something because the improved version is coming out in a month or you know there is going to be a promotion next week. I'm sorry, but I can't pay $629.95 for a regulator that I can buy online for $399.99 and I won't even pay $459.95 unless you can provide something of added value for the money. Free classes? Discounts on trips for customers based on dollars spent? viewing me as something other than a transport mechanism for my credit card? Something?

Rant over.
 
J.R.:
:popcorn: So now we're going to saddle the LDS with yet more debt servicing overhead in order to flood the market so that we can pick the bones of the dead when they go belly up?? Interesting...

You wouldn't be a sales rep for a manufacturer, would ya'???



Well, some may disagree (What? ... on ScubaBoard???? ... naw, say it ain't so...)... but I don't think we do... manufacturer's create and react to market demand... as long as we think we "gotta' have it"... they're driving the bus...

Manufactures respond to a global demand, not just the US. The point about this being a sport for those who can afford it is correct. Diving is expensive, one has to budget to afford all of the toys this industry has. Personally I want the costs to stay where they are at, to ensure that the qualty of the R&D remains high and that advances are made. The idea of WalMart pricing of scuba equipment scares me.
:monkeydan
 

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