Land of Free Speech

[Cherry]

Tabernac I must say I really enjoy the young Quebecqois that come work for us every summer picking cherries. I respect la belle province and its efforts to maintain their french heritage even if laws like Bill 101 go too far. But it must be a bugger for the last 300 years to maintain an Island of French culture in a sea of Anglais. The multi cultural nature of Canada I really think has had its foundation in their struggle much to our benefit.

Cherry

BTW NE we do have rules that require the RCMP to inform a detainee of their rights it is just a bit different and a Judge is not under the same kind of restrictions when finding the Police have violated that in some manner. If they find that it has not had a material impact on the outcome or results of the case they may rule it immaterial or use a host of other remidies other than dismissal.

 

[Northeastwrecks]

pufferfish once bubbled...
NEW your French must be real good if those in Quebec City were easier to follow. I lived there for a year and that la,la and accent was tough to follow at times.

Absolutely not. I read fairly well and can gist my way through most documents. I don't write or speak often enough to maintain my proficiency.

Perhaps it was just my perception that I was doing better in Quebec City. I don't know. But no one told me to learn to speak properly or leave. That happened at a place down on St. Denis.

I've got no idea whether Amtrak cars are public or private property because Amtrak is some wierd type of quasi-public corporation. The issue here is also tied up in common carrier law, which imposes obligations on the carrier to provide safe carriage. Either way, it sounds like Amtrak was stupid as they potentially endangered someone's safety by putting them off.

 

[Lawman]

This guy went to the mall intending to have this happen.
It's part of the "peace" play that these people put on. If
you were around in the 60s and early 70s you saw this all
the time. Kids wear the insulting T shirts to school and are
asked to leave and then we all go into our Free Speech rap.

The reason that the mall and schools don't want these shirts
is that they don't want other people to start fights with the
people wearing them. They don't give a s**t about what
the shirt says. They don't want fights in the mall or in school.
This particular act has been done to death.

 

[Walter]

"Walter you got some more details on this that is not in the CNN story? If one does "purchase" a t-shirt does that not imply a sale? Design your own usually means choose a decal which the vendor then heat transfers to a shirt. You pay for the decal and shirt."

The decals were letters. They literally designed their own shirts. I saw the shirts on the news last night. They were literally plain white shirts with lettering.

 

[Dectek]

5 Pages of arguments about a T-shirt that nobody has seen.
The phrase Give piece a chance may not have been the only thing on the shirt. It may not have had any thing to do with the request to remove it. Just good headlines.

As far as custom shirts....There are now places that you can design your own shirt on a computer. It is then printed onto an iron-on and applied to the shirt.

For all we know it was a photo of a gun to Bush's head or Calvin peeing on Bush driving a tank.
Until we know exactly what was on the T-shirt...nobody can judge as to the mall's request to remove it.


The guy was arrested because he was an idiot not because there was a slogan on his shirt.

 

[Dectek]

The shirts have been seen and now my theory runs along the lines of Lawman's.


Starting to get scary....thinking on the same lines as Lawman.

 

[Arnaud]

So, the shirt says "Give Peace A Chance" and nothing else.

How manipulative and aggressive!

Are they going to burn the Beatles CDs, too?

 

[metridium]

Arnaud wrote...


Are they going to burn the Beatles CDs, too?

If they're on any Muzak system I'm forced to listen to, then I fervently hope so!

 

[Northeastwrecks]

Don't go getting paranoid. Remember, property owners in the states are allowed to impose conditions for entry into their premises. So long as the conditions are not based upon a prohibited form of discrimination, which this wasn't, there is nothing legally wrong with the behavior.

No one will be coming for your Beatles records and I'm sure that you can buy the disks in the mall.

Lawman put this in a perspective that I hadn't considered. Interesting point.

T-shirts in public schools is an interesting issue because it looks to find the balance between the First Amendment's right to free speech and the school's legitimate interest in maintaining a disciplined atmosphere that is conducive to learning. However, the cases are not applicable here because the mall, unlike the school, is private property.

 

[Lawman]

Dectek once bubbled...
The shirts have been seen and now my theory runs along the lines of Lawman's.


Starting to get scary....thinking on the same lines as Lawman.

that with Dectek there IS room for growth!