Just so you know - two thumbs up to lion fish killing DM in coz

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Mike

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Just returned from 10 days in Roatan diving on the north side out of West Bay. Brazen, huge lion fish on every single dive, these lion fish there are huge, I measured one against my fin and it was 18 inches.

I did one and only one night dive. Saw what I thought might have been 1 octopus for about 2 seconds, 3 lobster and 11 huge lionfish combing the reef like those advanced terminator robots for the movies of the same name, hunting for anything they could find hiding in the coral, which wasn't much based on the fact the reef was an absolute ghost town at night. Anything that accidently would have shown itself would have been converged on and swallowed immediately.

Apparently there are some dive masters who kill lion fish there, I was told that some from Anthony's Key kill them, but not a single one I dove with did anything. It was sad cause the reefs are very noticeably different then they were the last time I was there in 2009. I even checked my log entries just to make sure I wasn't imagining it, even my log entries from two years ago noted there were thousands of tiny fish all over the coral gardens, lots of groupers, large angel fish of all varieties, sea horses, spotted eels, you name it. This trip, the exact opposite, couldn't find a sea horse, one spotted eel the whole time, just a lot of coral with no fish to speak of around. Someone needs to send out an APB to find all the missing fish of thier reefs cause they have disappeared. Diving was actually getting boring and we skipped the afternoon dives everyday, and left about 12 pre-paid dives unused between the two of us.

Unfortunately I started sounding like that girl from American pie talking about band camp all the time while I was there, except it was -" in Cozumel they do this"," in Cozumel they do this", I just find Cozumel is the best example of the contrast between reefs that lionfish are actively being removed and theirs which they are not....I had to shut my mouth after awhile, but the lack of any concern from them and the continuous diving on reefs painfully barren was bizzare to me... many of the divers diving with us were newbies so they had no previous experiences to compare their dives to and were happy to see any fish at all. But it's painfully obvious that Roatan's reefs on the north side have been heavily devestated by lion fish, and from what I saw the dive shops there are totally unaware. I guess since they dive it every day, it's a death of a thousand cuts, a few fish missing today, a few tomorrow, they go slowly un-noticed, but over time it's painfully obvious to somebody coming back with long times inbetween, you notice the difference immediately. It's really a shame. But just wanted to say great job to the dive masters in Cozumel, keep killing the lion fish, you're really keeping the diveable reefs beautiful and creating job security, giving divers a reason to return over and over again to Cozumel. The dive masters in Roatan where I dived didn't seem to think anything of their deserted coral reefs, I guess they aren't concerned with it, I'm not sure I'll be going back to Roatan any time soon, maybe the south side around Coco view and Fantasy island is being managed better, but believe me, Cozumel is pretty healthy compared to Roatan.
 
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I hear ya DD, but let's be honest, if allowed
some yahoos would spear every fish known to man except lionfish,
some other yahoos would come up swelled up like ticks from getting stung by the lionfish
(present company excepted of course)

tick tick tick, 4 days, 20 hours...........
 
Do you think so? I'm not at all sure that you're right. I've done a fair bit of diving off the mainland (50+ dives) where lionfish killing is not regulated, and have not seen either of the problems you predict.
 
Good report Mike. We went to Roatan in February and as "newbies" to diving in the Caribbean we thought the reefs were beautiful...but where were all the fish???? My husband was totally disappointed after the hoopla I told him about it being a great dive spot. Well with that said we are off to Cozumel in January. Somewhere he didn't really want to go to because he had been told (by me of course) that it is mostly drift diving. You see he is a photographer and isn't sure how that works if you have to stay with the group. I told him that in Coz he will get beautiful reefs AND the fish. I sure hope so or he will never believe me again. He has decided to shoot video (no strobe) on the boat dives and only use his strobe doing shore dives (afternoon and night).

We dove in Negril Jamaica in September but only because it is offered free at the resort. The diving was pretty good. Not like the reefs in Roatan but there was alot more fish there. I'm telling him Cozumel will be even better. We are back to Jamaica twice in 2012 because we love the resort. The free diving is just a bonus.
 
Headline: "Just so you know - two thumbs up to lion fish killing DM in coz"
After glimpsing the Thread Headline, I thought that the OP was commenting on an incident in which a lion fish killed a DM in Cozumel.
After reading his post, it's clear that's not what the OP meant.

Perhaps the ambiguity in the headline should be clarified...
A simple hyphen between "lionfish" and "killing" would work. ("Lionfish" is one word, right?)
Or the headline could be rephrased a bit.
 
Hey Betty - you can shoot plenty of great stills in Cozumel during drift dives. Getting close to the reef takes you out of the current, getting down around something, behind structure gets you out of the current. There will be times you husband will have to watch something instead of shoot because of the conditions, but plenty of other times conditions will work out too. Current will vary from dive to dive and from location to location from practically non-existent, especially during a night dive, to ripping.
 
Somewhere he didn't really want to go to because he had been told (by me of course) that it is mostly drift diving. You see he is a photographer and isn't sure how that works if you have to stay with the group.

Just make sure you get him a dive at Columbia shallow - more fish/photo op than you could ever want - no current, and max depth of 35 feet - we did 85 minutes on an AL80 and came up with 1100 lbs. Unfortunately I left my camera in the room that day :( Punta Dalila was another super cool light current fish dive with tons of little cracks and crevices to poke your head in! These sites were new to me and every bit as good as the usual sites that I've visited a bunch of times over the years!
 
Yeah, from "lion fish killing DM in coz" I was afraid we'd lost a DM.

Betty, tell him to take the strobe. He can shoot stills if he hurries. Some dives don't really have currents. Roatan was overfished by the locals before the lions moved in tho. Coz is better, but lionfish are only part of the problem.
The only problem I have with the Cozumel solution is their restriction of lionfish killing to local DMs.
Varies with whom you dive and if you are willing to risk getting busted by rangers.
 

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