Issue with securing 7ft long hose

[Nick_Radov]

I forgot to post this for anyone who is interested. It is on the kydex holster that I mentioned in post #75.

I thought all the hose stuffers died out decades ago. This "holster" nonsense is at least marginally less stupid than sticking your long hose under bondage wing bungees or something but still an unnecessary convolution.

 

[Litefoot]

I thought all the hose stuffers died out decades ago. This "holster" nonsense is at least marginally less stupid than sticking your long hose under bondage wing bungees or something but still an unnecessary convolution.

Why “convoluted”? If it holds the hose securely under normal circumstances and releases cleanly in an emergency (assuming primary donate), what’s wrong with that? Honest question. Seems better than having it captured under a canister light or a stick.

 

[steinbil]

Why “convoluted”? If it holds the hose securely under normal circumstances and releases cleanly in an emergency (assuming primary donate), what’s wrong with that? Honest question. Seems better than having it captured under a canister light or a stick.

It's convoluted because it's solving a non-existent issue, in a clumsy way, while adding unnecessary gear. This is not going to kill anyone, and it probably holds the hose in place ok, it's just silly and impractical.

Primarily, restowing the hose after deployment is a guaranteed hassle. You have to bend the hose at a sharp angle, and manage to pass it through a narrow opening that is very close to your body and out of sight. I'm willing to bet money that's a lot harder than shoving it down the waist belt. And if it forces you to look down at your belly, that is very impractical when diving, losing situational awareness and having to bend like a shrimp. Then try doing it with dry gloves, and film it please. I'll wait. Popcorn in hand.

A canister battery, on the other hand, is an essential piece of kit for technical diving, and works perfectly for routing the long hose. And it has none of the issues just mentioned. Easy to deploy, easy to stow, adds nothing to the rig. It's been done a million times, and it works. And if you don't have a canister, just tuck the hose in the belt! I'm not a fan of the long hose sticks either.

 

[steinbil]

Imagine giving yourself over to rigidity instead of diving with fluidity

Fluidity comes with effortless mastery of fundamental techniques, not from convoluted technical solutions to non-existing problems.

I don't mind people doing stupid **** for their own enjoyment as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, but when people post bad advice to divers that might not have the experience to see it for what it is, I think it's important to call it out.

 

[NothingClever]

I like diving with a canister light in open water so I personally don’t see a need for this.

AMPLIFICATION: A can light increases my standoff, improves consumption and supports communication over greater distances. I can focus and inspect things further away and this saves the gas I’d spend otherwise swimming to get closer. The more powerful beam allows me to wander off on my own out of visual contact with other divers but still communicate with them light-to-light. The DM guides I dive with tell me my can light, a DR HP50 (that I acknowledge is rather the Hello Kitty or Betty Crocker Easy Bake Oven version of can lights), has way more punch and that inspires confidence in the DMs. They know I’ll periodically turn and ankle kick against the current until I see a bubble plume or two, exchange a smooth, controlled OK and then be on my way again.

Because I dive with a can light, I don’t need a kydex hose holster.

If I dive without a can light for some reason, I just form a relaxed bight with my LH and slip it under my waist belt. I pinch the outbound and inbound hose together where it passes under my waist belt to ensure tidy routing.

Attaching something else to the waist belt when there’s already a minimal-but-effective solution in place seems out of place in the “Hogarthian” subforum.

 

[divezonescuba]

Sorry to disappoint you guys.

Divers who have actually used it are very happy with its ease of use and effectiveness. There is now a slightly different version for deco cylinders so there is no need to use any sort of hose retaining bands. You can check the video on that.

One guy is even having some made to control his can light cord.

 

[happy-diver]

It's quite difficult to defend or have any sympathy for any arsehole cultists if they so vehmently deny you a clip

I don't mind people doing stupid **** for their own enjoyment as long as it doesn't harm anyone else

Heavens quick emergency emergency a non sanctioned bit of gear what do I do better surface and ask someone

Hey experts, was it William Hogarth Main that said gear is ever evolving, yeah that guy him, Father William, who?

Pity the same can't be said for some heads

 

[divezonescuba]

Primarily, restowing the hose after deployment is a guaranteed hassle. You have to bend the hose at a sharp angle, and manage to pass it through a narrow opening that is very close to your body and out of sight. I'm willing to bet money that's a lot harder than shoving it down the waist belt. And if it forces you to look down at your belly, that is very impractical when diving, losing situational awareness and having to bend like a shrimp. Then try doing it with dry gloves, and film it please. I'll wait. Popcorn in hand.

This person had to look down at her belly and lost situational awareness. A well trained person would not have to do that. So, unless anyone is that person, the kydex long hose holster offers the same advantages as a kydex holster for your piece over putting it in your waistband. Consistent positioning and more secure retention.

This guy probably wished he was using a kydex holster with better retention.

A canister battery, on the other hand, is an essential piece of kit for technical diving, and works perfectly for routing the long hose. And it has none of the issues just mentioned. Easy to deploy, easy to stow, adds nothing to the rig. It's been done a million times, and it works. And if you don't have a canister, just tuck the hose in the belt! I'm not a fan of the long hose sticks either.

A lot of divers don’t use canister batteries. For those that don’t I refer you to the FBI agent above.

 

[NothingClever]

I’ll admit I was on the fence until you rolled in hot with blurry screen grabs and a thready reference to a poorly trained SSA.

All those haters out there will be like squirrels and rabbits at Snow White’s feet when they realize you were the founding father of the Kydex holster revolution in ScubaBoard’s Hogarthian forum.

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