Is it possible to travel responsibly (during a pandemic)?

[WeRtheOcean]

What is your source for this statement?

Here is one -- peer reviewed: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

I find the take-away message in the Abstract: "Less disruptive and costly NPIs can be as effective as more intrusive, drastic, ones (for example, a national lockdown)."

 

[Centrals]

My point is two-fold:

1.) For awhile, it's seemed like people who didn't hew to the CDC line were reckless and selfish rather than 'following the science' for the common good of humanity (and that's accurate about some people, but not all).

2.) The times, they are a 'change'in.

In a prior column, Leonhardt has mentioned that research showed conservatives tend to underestimate the risks of the pandemic, and liberals tend to over-estimate it.

One thing continues to be heavily endorsed...get vaccinated in you can. Whatever your politics.

We all knew what happened when the risk was overly underestimated!
Brazil, India and USA.
When public health is at risk I would rather have the authority overestimated the danger than underestimated it.
Taiwan(Republic of China) was highly praised for its success. But lo and behold back to square one recently.

 

[KenGordon]

Here is one -- peer reviewed: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

I find the take-away message in the Abstract: "Less disruptive and costly NPIs can be as effective as more intrusive, drastic, ones (for example, a national lockdown)."

you said “the past year's worth of data shows that covid outcomes do not correlate with the measures countries took...”

and that paper exactly describes the correlation between those measures and COVID outcomes (in terms of R at least). Just because shutting schools and banning small gatherings is more effective than “national lockdown” doesn’t mean “national lockdown” was completely ineffective.

 

[Centrals]

Who has the crystal ball?

 

[divinh]

We all knew what happened when the risk was overly underestimated!
Brazil, India and USA.
When public health is at risk I would rather have the authority overestimated the danger than underestimated it.
Taiwan(Republic of China) was highly praised for its success. But lo and behold back to square one recently.

Taiwan reduced testing and even though they had a breach from a pilot, reduced the quarantine time for pilots from 14, 10, to 3 days ... It's not like they kept doing what they had done and lost control...

Covid-19: What went wrong in Singapore and Taiwan?

 

[Centrals]

Taiwan reduced testing and even though they had a breach from a pilot, reduced the quarantine time for pilots from 14, 10, to 3 days ... It's not like they kept doing what they had done and lost control...

Covid-19: What went wrong in Singapore and Taiwan?

This virus is biding the time and ready to bounce!
What else can Taiwan do? Availability of vaccine is the main issue for this island state.
I am interested to see what would happen to USA when all those restrictions are lifted. Same as UK as they recently allowed limited number of spectators to attend football matches. Australia and NZ has resumed travelling between the two countries.
As for Singapore! Even the fully vaccinated persons are infected! Now we need to find out if those infected will transmit the disease.

 

[Centrals]

Thailand COVID: 119,585 Cases and 703 Deaths - Worldometer
Jan 01: 7,100 cases total
Apr 10: 31,600
May 19: 119,000

The main issue is the illegal from Burma!!! For whatever reason people are still employing illegal Burmese!

 

[Jcp2]

Who has the crystal ball?

Nobody, and that’s the whole point. We can’t turn back time, and we can’t stay in lockdown limbo forever. People are moving on and accepting the new parameters of living at different individual rates. Inaction is not a real choice, as that itself is an action.

 

[Centrals]

Nobody, and that’s the whole point. We can’t turn back time, and we can’t stay in lockdown limbo forever. People are moving on and accepting the new parameters of living at different individual rates. Inaction is not a real choice, as that itself is an action.

The problem is nobody can offer or even suggest an acceptable solution.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-five-hotspots-rates-above-100-per-100000-084338306.html
The last paragraph!

Life won't be the same again!! That is probably one thing we have to accept it.

 

[Jcp2]

There will always be an acceptable solution. The biological parameters of the problem is the same everywhere. What changes is the definition of “acceptable”. People are remarkable plastic in that way. We would have to be, otherwise a hairless, toothless, clawless, slow primate would have not made it out of the Savannah many many years ago.