Is a buddy in a cave considered to be liability ?

[ucfdiver]

We dont reveal those secrets in public forums

The crawfish at JB are big enough to count.

 

[tasdiver]

Are there lobsters back in those passageways?

Is that what those white things are ?? They look bigger in salt water

 

[Kevin Carlisle]

The crawfish at JB are big enough to count.

This is very true.

 

[Sas]

Maybe you guys are good with buddy skills after not practicing them. I would venture a guess that you're in the minority however.

Well I dive a lot with buddies and a lot by myself, as do a few of my regular buddies so the buddy skills are still practiced. Doing a lot of solo diving is not mutually exclusive with doing a lot of buddy diving

 

[Ban's Tec]

I think there are several good points and questions brought up in this thread. First of all I have never heard from any of the well known or respected training organizations that have stated omitting a long hose was a good idea.

All of the training I have had as well as all the courses I have taught always enforce the idea of team diving. The term 'back up brain' comes up in most of our manuals for sure. In our pre-dive planning procedures we go over the logistics of our dive, exact dive plan and how our team will work together. Emergency procedures and even the unlikely events are accounted for, leaving nothing to chance.

I think if you are diving with a buddy who is kicking up silt the entire dive, likely your team needs to be re-evaluated. Proper trim and buoyancy control are the foundations behind any of the training levels. Certification should not surpass skill, nor should a team venture into an area where teamwork would not be effective.

Keep it safe, keep it clear, and be prepared for emergencies in all situations

 

[Redshift]

I think there are several good points and questions brought up in this thread. First of all I have never heard from any of the well known or respected training organizations that have stated omitting a long hose was a good idea.

DIR Sidemount by George Irvine

Written by George Irvine

There is no big trick to DIR sidemount. In cold water, we use our dry suits and a normal backplate with a weight belt of our decompression backplates with tiny Halcyon wings. The backplate has two curved weights bolted through where the tanks would go , usually 20-24 pounds in two weights. The wing has enough lift to offset the plate and weights. The inflator of the wings is not hooked up to a tank. The argon bottle inflates the drysuit, and the wreck style argon location is used. The bottles are merely stage rigged with normal stages added , only on the right there is no lower d-ring, just a bungee loop that slides free on the belt . The light goes in the normal place, as does everything else on the harness. Stages are carried and breathed with the doubles being treated like back tanks. There is no long hose. If you need to share, you hand off and discard the bad bottle, if indeed it even comes to that with proper stage management, which it should not. There is no silliness with any other bondage arrangement that the strokes us.

In hot water, with wetsuit, we use the same thing with no weight for fresh and a smaller version of the weight for salt. We do not hook up the inflator to a tank. This is not rocket science. The horse**** dreamed up by sidemounters is ridiculous. We don't do it unless we really need to look at something where there is no other way, and it is a logistic nightmare to set up, but it can be done right. I have done it mostly in the Bahamas, and we do it every dive for decompression in the WKPP . We remove the back tanks or rebreather and go to the sidemount rig for comfort and so we can more easily get up out of the water in troughs, or habitats. Even then, we see no reason to create some stroke rig.(...)

Then he went on with is particular style of abusing others. You can see the rest here
I don't know if they have changed more recently though.

In the Cave Diving Group (Great Britain) there's also no long hose. You can see their typical configuration here But there are different styles and configurations even inside the CDG.

 

[ucfdiver]

Then he went on with is particular style of abusing others. You can see the rest here
I don't know if they have changed more recently though.

In the Cave Diving Group (Great Britain) there's also no long hose. You can see their typical configuration here But there are different styles and configurations even inside the CDG.

I wouldn't look too much into that. George even dove a long hose with a rebreather. I think he's talking about what they did on DECO for comfort, not during the dive to get in smaller areas.