Innovation in diving

[tursiops]

I agree, reading this thread is a high-risk activity. If I see one more post from Mr Perfect saying the same stuff over and over, I may gouge my eyes out.

 

[Drin]

I agree, reading this thread is a high-risk activity. If I see one more post from Mr Perfect saying the same stuff over and over, I may gouge my eyes out.

Luckily "Mr. Perfect" doesn't consider his own eyes being gouged out to be a contraindicator for cave diving.



-Adrian

 

[gianaameri]

I agree, reading this thread is a high-risk activity. If I see one more post from Mr Perfect saying the same stuff over and over, I may gouge my eyes out.

Luckily "Mr. Perfect" doesn't consider his own eyes being gouged out to be a contraindicator for cave diving.



-Adrian

This is the Technical Diving Specialities Forum (not the bullies and time wasters forum).

Nobody ever said in this thread that they don't make mistakes. I did not, Tony did not, Victorzamoza did not...

No offence, but can you go and waste somebody's time elsewhere with your comments, or if you have something to add to the topic which is pertinent just do so.

Tony could use your help too and we could learn something if you could just think of a "what if" scenario for a Dive Computer/Bottom Timer on that dive that day... (alternatively just ignore the tread, maybe?)

 

[tursiops]

This is the Technical Diving Specialities Forum

Hey, Mr Perfect, you are not doing Technical Diving. You are doing Trust Me diving and breaking the hard-earned rules, and defending yourself with repetitious BS. You should be posting in the Divers with Disabilities forum.....no disrespect meant to those folks.

 

[gianaameri]

Hey, Mr Perfect, you are not doing Technical Diving. You are doing Trust Me diving and breaking the hard-earned rules, and defending yourself with repetitious BS. You should be posting in the Divers with Disabilities forum.....no disrespect meant to those folks.

Yeah, I dive Solo because I trust myself (joke).

...and you are Master Instructor of what?

PADI?

What do you have 50 logged dives?

Wow!

...oh, 1000 to 2499 dives say your internet forum profile... soo impressive.

I'd like to learn from you then.

Can you substantiate exactly how I'd be doing "Trust Me Diving" (the rules we agreed I broke and break regularly by virtue of solo ccr cave diving and on one occasion with no Dive Computer/Bottom Timer)?

 

[Drin]

I think this thread is officially dead and ready to be buried. Gian is now at the point of being a broken record. I suspect the rest of us are tired of seeing him make the same inane arguments made over and over again. I know *I* am.

Mods, would it be possible to close this this thread, please and thank you? I think it's far outlived any usefulness it may have once had. Even the occasional smidgen of humor it provided is now long gone.

If not I'll just /ignore anything Gian has to say from now on. The rants aren't worth the cycles it takes to read them. Someone intent on killing themselves will find a way to do it despite the best efforts of those around them.

-Adrian

 

[gianaameri]

I think this thread is officially dead and ready to be buried. Gian is now at the point of being a broken record. I suspect the rest of us are tired of seeing him make the same inane arguments made over and over again. I know *I* am.

Mods, would it be possible to close this this thread, please and thank you? I think it's far outlived any usefulness it may have once had. Even the occasional smidgen of humor it provided is now long gone.

If not I'll just /ignore anything Gian has to say from now on. The rants aren't worth the cycles it takes to read them. Someone intent on killing themselves will find a way to do it despite the best efforts of those around them.

-Adrian

I did not start the thread and do not mind at all being closed.

In the meantime maybe just go diving or post in some other thread if you find it so upsetting to gouge your eyes out.

I happen to be involved here because this thread exists because of one dive I did and the Mods chose to make a thread out of it.

You are welcome if you have something to actually contribute to the thread, otherwise just maybe try a different thread more interesting to you and ignore this one (save your eyesight for something bigger and better).

 

[TracyN]

This thread makes me laugh, lol! This is why I love to read internet forums.

 

[gianaameri]

This thread makes me laugh, lol! This is why I love to read internet forums.

N.A.S.A. saw this thread and just Skyped me.

They advised a Dive Computer/Bottom Timer on that dive that day would have been as useful to prevent or resolve an emergency as a fart in a space suit!

 

[gcarter]

Now, just because you find it too complex to model the risks involved in cave diving or those specific to that dive that day, it does not mean it cannot be done.

Risk modelling and risk assessment and risk management, as a matter of fact, must be done, for any cave dive, and for that cave dive that day without Dive Computer/Bottom Timer, and for any one specific cave dive on any one specific day/moment.

For cave diving, you can find one generic risk model here:

http://www.cavedivinggroup.org.uk/Articles/RiskAssessmentFinal050905.pdf

If new risks, potential or perceived are found (or unforeseen risk events occur), then the model is updated accordingly (and updated constantly and "on-the-fly").

The ability to model risk has nothing to do with what is being questioned, nor does how often the model is updated. The discussion hinges on the question of whether appropriate judgement was applied to the interpretation of the risk assessment, and whether an appropriate level of risk was accepted.

The argument being conducted here is circular with no end. You fundamentally disagree with each other on what constitutes an appropriate level of risk.