Incident due to battery change on dive computer

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I'm stunned at the lack of situational awareness.....

Didn't use the PDC for pre-dive plan/verification
didn't monitor computer during dive - Looked at the computer and was surprised it was already in deco
didn't follow it from there
apparently didn't look at it during the SI
didn't look at it in preparation for the second dive (planning)

why does he even own one (PDC)?
 
3.)...//...

I see this whole episode as an instructional problem, or rather, a lack of instructional problem. I did not intend to point my finger at any particular instructor.
I agree with you on most things but I just don't see it this way. Even if his dive count is exaggerated and he doesn't have the ten + years experience he reports, still looks like pure diver complacency to me.
 
If he had the tables with him and knew how to use them he would have had a plan B. If he was never taught how to use them then that option did not exist for him.

What tables would an OW diver have that would have helped him do his second dive? According to the PADI RDP (I believe), he went into deco on his first dive.

Even if the OP were diving with two computers in this case it probably would not have helped. If he made every dive with identical computers dialed into the same setting what are the odds that he would have changed both batteries at the same time? I think those odds would have been about 100%.

Diving with two computers is the vastly better answer than telling him to learn how to use tables. In this specific scenario, the tables say he was in deco, so he was done for the day. If he'd had a second computer, that was setup correctly (meaning, as he intended it to be), presumably (because he said he did it before), he could have just done the second dive with his primary DC in gauge mode, and using his secondary DC for NDL info. IOW, tables? No second dive. Backup DC? Yes on a second dive.

It seems like a more common scenario would be that his primary computer actually died for some reason (versus being setup wrong). In that scenario, tables are, again, useless because he would be back on the surface after his first dive with no record of his BT or max depth. So, no way to use tables to work out a second dive. Unless you would suggest using the dive log from his buddy's DC... So, again we're back to tables wouldn't help but diving with two computers would.

Lastly, I dive with 2 computers. And I would say that the chances of me diving with both of them having brand new batteries at the same time is about 1%. And that 1 percent is allowing for, either, diving in the pool to make sure they are both good, or a total fluke that both DCs happened to literally die at the same time. My DCs are not identical. Other than some tech divers with 2 Shearwaters (or similar), who dives with two identical computers?? Even if they were identical, I think it highly unlikely that both batteries would go at the same time. However, even if they both showed Low Battery at the same time, I would still change one first, then the other. Diving with 2 computers that have both just been serviced seems like not the best idea at all. There's always a chance the service could result in a problem, so it will always be better to dive one freshly serviced and one "known good".

So, again, it seems to me that, if you're going to use a DC at all, then there is really no NEED (for an OW Rec diver) to learn or use tables. For anyone who is concerned about missing out on some diving because their DC died, the best solution is to dive two DCs. The only way to even be close to as good, using tables, is if you use a DC and you also dive with a depth gauge that records max depth and a bottom timer. And that will still not give you nearly as much BT, on your second dive, as if you spent just a little more money and got a cheap DC as a backup, instead of the depth gauge and BT. Unless your first dive was totally a square profile. Then using tables might be somewhere close to as good. Maybe.

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3.) He never received instruction in the first place about what the computer was telling him.

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I see this whole episode as an instructional problem, or rather, a lack of instructional problem. I did not intend to point my finger at any particular instructor.

So, if you had been his instructor, back 1000+ dives ago, he wouldn't have done what he did? Color me skeptical. People do stuff all the time that they were thoroughly and well instructed not to do. ESPECIALLY, when they've been engaging in whatever activity we're talking about for long enough to feel confident in their own skills.
 
This post is an example of what I see at least once on almost every dive trip. People do not respect their dive computers, even though they trust their lives to them. People will invent any story so they can justify not listening to their computers (I didn't set it up right). Many times people don't realize that they have gone into deco and don't know how to follow the instructions and get out of the water without fulfilling their deco obligations. Then, they will get back into the water with a computer that is of as much benefit as a brick. I have seen people change computers or remove the battery to reset the computer so they can get back to diving. I last saw this in Hawaii where a diver had a new Suunto Eon Steel. The computer was going crazy with alarms and the diver simply ignored it. This is nuts! If you are going to use the computer then you have to respect it even if you don't like the message. If you set it up wrong and it goes into Deco, that sucks but tough it out and stay out of the water. Don't fight the equipment meant to keep you safe.

As for the tables, great idea but not consistent with what most "modern" divers do in diving. Besides, I have seen table divers "fudge" their times and I doubt if you don't respect your computer you will respect a table dive.
 
Since I was buddied with a Dive Master and understood what happened and since the buddy and I were glued together on the first dive I thought I would just rely on his computer. 20 minutes into the second dive I looked at his computer to discover that it was displaying the word "UP" instead of time remaining till deco.

One final thought and then I will stop. When the computer would not do the thinking for him the OPs solution is to follow the DM so the DM could do the thinking for him. At no point does it appear the the OP made any attempt to think for himself. This seems like a serious lack of training to me.
 
So, if you had been his instructor, back 1000+ dives ago, he wouldn't have done what he did? Color me skeptical. People do stuff all the time that they were thoroughly and well instructed not to do. ESPECIALLY, when they've been engaging in whatever activity we're talking about for long enough to feel confident in their own skills.

Had I been his instructor 10 years ago, I would have taught him tables backwards and forwards, and I would have taught him what tissue compartments were, and what they meant, and the gas laws. I would have instilled an understanding of, and a respect for decompression theory and decompression sickness. Had I been the instructor who sold him his PDC, I would have made sure he knew how to set it, and what the resets were on a dead battery and the things to watch out for. Had he been my liveaboard customer, I would have answered his questions regarding conservatism settings, and what his O2 clock means and how to set his dive computer for his maximum enjoyment and safety, because I do that for someone every trip. Because some of the shops that actually sell dive computers don't bother.

My crew and I are a font of knowledge when it comes to dive computers, because a significant percentage of my recreational customers don't even know how to give us depth and bottom time upon surfacing from a dive. That is important enough to repeat. A significant percentage of my recreational customers don't even know how to give us depth and bottom time upon surfacing from a dive. Because no one taught them how to use their dive computers.
 
Had I been his instructor 10 years ago, I would have taught him tables backwards and forwards

I hope it was clear before that my post was not intended to impugn your instruction, in any way. I was simply making the point that I think it didn't matter who his OW instructor was or how good a job they did. And he could have bought his DC online. I think he would have done the same thing, no matter who his instructor was 1000+ dives ago.

And, the other point was that knowing the tables (and following them) would have simply kept him out of the water. He would have been better off with a backup DC that he KNEW was setup how he wanted it.
 
Because no one taught them how to use their dive computers.

Each diver is responsible for learning how to use their computer. Maybe we should teach people to have the mindset that it is important to learn how to use your own computer and maybe even read the manual. No one ever sold me a computer and reviewed the use with me or even encouraged me to read the manual. It never seems to amaze me at the lack of intellectual curiosity about life support systems by some divers.
 
I agree everyone should know deco theory and be intimately familiar with their computers but that is not the real issue here. He admits he knows what happened. He admits to seeing the deco time and the required stops. He chose to disregard this information. He did consult tables (incorrectly). He chose to rely on another diver.

Complacency.
 
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Each diver is responsible for learning how to use their computer. Maybe we should teach people to have the mindset that it is important to learn how to use your own computer and maybe even read the manual. No one ever sold me a computer and reviewed the use with me or even encouraged me to read the manual. It never seems to amaze me at the lack of intellectual curiosity about life support systems by some divers.

Computer - Life Support???

Yes, I think I am seeing the scuba instruction problem.:shakehead:
 

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