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dctexan once bubbled...
Hi all, new diver here. Took my open water class this past spring (PADI). Went down to Ft. Lauderdale on 6/20 to complete my check out dives (with a PADI affiliated dive shop). Did dive 1 & 2 on 6/21 and dives 3 & 4 on 6/22. All dives were to 30 ft for about 20 minutes each...probably a 3 minute surface interval between dives 1 & 2 and dives 3 & 4. Loved diving, was very excited about getting certified, however about 10 minutes after I exited the water from dive 4, my skin started to feel prickly and my body felt a tiny bit achy.

About 2 hours later I felt a bit worse, and started kidding around with my friends that I thought I had lyme disease (aching joints and all). Took a shower, went to dinner. During dinner I started hurting really badly and just couldn't sit still. Finally decided (about 6 hours after symptoms first appeared) that I was probably bent and that I needed to go to the ER.

Doc at ER took forever trying to decide whether I had DCS or not (kept checking the dive tables and saying "but you were within the limits”. Finally he agreed that I had DCS and arranged to transport me to Miami (Mercy Hospital) for treatment.
While waiting for the ambulance, I received IV fluids, but no O2.

Finally arrived at Mercy around 1:00AM (about 9 hours after symptoms first appeared). At this point I am crying in pain and just basically miserable. I think my favorite thing to tell people was "why do they say skin tingling? It feels like glass shards are being rubbed into my skin". Got assessed by the doc at Mercy where I am asked to rate my pain on a scale of 1-10 (I said 8...but looking back I realized I should have said 10. Not that it was the worst pain that I had ever felt, but it certainly was the most prolonged intense pain I have ever felt). Then I took a 6 (maybe 5? I am not sure) hour chamber ride with O2. Absolutely no relief from the chamber. I become basically hysterical and am screaming at the doctor that the stupid chamber didn't work and that I wasn't going back in, that I was exhausted, and that I REALLY needed my pain to go away. I then tell the doctor that he can either kill me or give me something to stop the pain. I get admitted to the hospital and am given some sort of pain reliever.

An hour later I am still in pain so we try pain reliever number 2. No luck with that so on to pain reliever number 3. At this point it is time for chamber ride #2. Due to my previous hysteria, the doctor has decided that I need to something to help me with my "anxiety" so I also receive some sort of anti-anxiety med. Enter the chamber and go down to 60 ft. Finally the pain lets up and I decide I might actually live through all of this. Whether the pain relief was due to the meds or the pressure I don't know...maybe both? When I get out of the chamber this time I rate my pain at a 6.

4 more chamber rides (2 at 15 feet with the diabetics for 2 hours and another 2 for 6 hours) and 2 days later I am finally discharged from the hospital. My diagnosis was DCS II. My pain level at discharge was a 5....mostly consisting of aching joint pain with some tingling (real tingling this time, the glass feeling is all gone). I am given instructions not to fly for 72 hours.

Okay, so I spend the next 72 hours in Miami, taking it easy. The day I am to fly out my pain is at a 1...present but not unmanageable by any means. There were 3 legs to my flight from Ft Lauderdale to Louisville. First leg, no problems. Second leg, I start to get that stupid ache back...especially in my hips, legs, and back. By the third leg, my pain is back to being a 5. Argh!

My flight home was on Sunday (6/29), it is currently Tuesday (7/1) and my pain is at a 4 with some very minor and very occasional skin creepy-crawlies. My questions are
1). will this go away?
2). can anything else medically be done for me or is it just a wait & see thing? Please keep in mind that I am a graduate student & the health insurance I have basically covers emergencies & then visits to the student health center where we DO NOT have a dive doctor.
3). am I completely stupid to ever dive again? I mean who gets hit during their freaking cert dives?!

Please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

An unfortunate situation, my sympathies.

Unless proven otherwise, this is a neurologic bend causing neuropathic pain. A clue is the generalized(?) body pain without mention of unstable vital signs. That there is some relief with recompression and aggravation with flight suggests it too. 72 h is a rule of thumb, and since the patient was not pain free after recompression, a relapse is possible. That its localized to a lower torso suggests spinal DCI. Alas, the confusing item is your bottom time profiles are quite short to built up an inert gas load. However, new OW students are oft to nucleate from excessive limb movements and ascend rapidly, often discounted because such dives are short and shallow. The profile you wrote is more a yoyo dive than 2 separate dives.

Beyond your doctor and DAN, I would ask: where exactly did the pain start, where did it go, where is it now? Was the pain the same intensity at these locations? Otherwise, were there no other symptoms or signs? No abnormal tests of any kind?

I concur with Dr. Deco's analysis however as bends requires more urgent action, it should be ruled out first.

Toxic reactions to some bite or ingestion is unusual without some sign or symptom: rash, redness, swelling, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, abnormal blood tests, and in severe cases blood pressure. Toxic symptoms are more steady and unrelenting, and almost never worsened by flight.

A severe skin manifestation without any noticable rash or changes is a paresthesia or hypeesthesia, and can only occur with a CNS lesion, either brain or spinal cord.

Even if so, as late as it is now, these toxins are non-lethal as the worse manifestations are within 24-48h. Persistent symptoms lead to subtle findings that can be tested again with blood tests or visible signs or symptoms.

However, if this is indeed some form of cerebral arterial gas embolization and/or spinal bends, even late treatment, up to a week, may be of benefit, but the farther one is from the onset, the less likely the success.

The issue of diving again hinges on the finding the cause of these problems.

An approach to treatment requires 3 things: call your doc first for an urgent visit and call DAN for secondary advice --- if recompression is necessary DAN can make the arrangements ASAP. An ASAP elective recompression a week post the event is near futile without DAN's urging. This late since onset, a CT Scan or better, an MRI of your head and lower back may reveal lesions suggestive of CAGE and should be strongly encouraged before or after recompression.

If all resolves well, then check for a PFO.

Lastly, most agencies consider a surface interval of at least 10 minutes before calling a return to depth a new dive. A minimum dive is ~ 20 minutes. Such, it would be worth investigating in terms of 'dives owed' or money back.

Please keep us posted as to your progress.
 
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for replying so quickly. Like everyone else, I also had a hard time believing that I could be bent. I mean I am 29 years old, in relatively good shape. My weight is slightly below average for my height. I should not have been dehydrated...no partying the night before, drinking water...not a liter an hour or anything, but I was using the bathroom regularly and I had plenty of spit for my mask. During my check out dives we were going over skills so I was fairly active during the dives (especially tired diver tow...I think instructors like that one) and I did re-board the boat between dives 1&2 and dives 3&4 for my surface interval (although I do agree this is cheating & is more like having done 2 dives, not 4). I am not sure about my ascent rate, but I was with the dive master at all times & kinda followed him (except during the SECA) so I assume everything was okay there. However I also can't imagine what might have been wrong with me if it's not DCS.

I am an avid ocean swimmer, I love it and I go to the beach every year & swim like crazy. I have NEVER had anything like this ever happen to me from being in the ocean. No strange fish or sea creatures touched me during my dives (that I know of) and although we did rest on the bottom, the bottom was sand! The idea of a toxin is intriguing, but where did it come from? Someone asked if I ate sea food & the answer is yes. I had a dinner with shrimp & scallops the night before dives 1&2, but the night before dives 3&4 I had a hamburger.

In addition, I did call DAN last night before I posted on the message board and to be honest I didn't get much help. I told them my story and basically the guy I was talking to said hmmm, interesting, where do you hurt (I told him hips, legs, & lower back), interesting, here is the contact info for Lexington. I guess I should follow up with them, but I am starting to feel frustrated with the whole thing.

Although I feel better today (I say I am a 3) I will probably follow up with a doctor at Health Services (although they are basically useless unless I already know what's wrong with me & can tell them the treatment) not a dive doctor as I am not sure that my stupid insurance will pay for a diving accident (although is doesn't specifically exclude diving incidents and I intend to fight them tooth & nail if need be). Again thanks everyone for responding. I will try to keep everyone updated.
 
dctexan once bubbled...
Hi Everyone,
In addition, I did call DAN last night before I posted on the message board and to be honest I didn't get much help. I told them my story and basically the guy I was talking to said hmmm, interesting, where do you hurt (I told him hips, legs, & lower back), interesting, here is the contact info for Lexington. I guess I should follow up with them, but I am starting to feel frustrated with the whole thing.

Although I feel better today (I say I am a 3) I will probably follow up with a doctor at Health Services (although they are basically useless unless I already know what's wrong with me & can tell them the treatment) not a dive doctor as I am not sure that my stupid insurance will pay for a diving accident (although is doesn't specifically exclude diving incidents and I intend to fight them tooth & nail if need be). Again thanks everyone for responding. I will try to keep everyone updated.

Maybe helpful to call and speak to the DAN referral doc in Lexington, KY , we do alot of phone traige too ... by probability he'll know more about the diving injury than the Health Services.
 
dctexan once bubbled...

Although I feel better today (I say I am a 3) I will probably follow up with a doctor at Health Services (although they are basically useless unless I already know what's wrong with me & can tell them the treatment) not a dive doctor as I am not sure that my stupid insurance will pay for a diving accident (although is doesn't specifically exclude diving incidents and I intend to fight them tooth & nail if need be). Again thanks everyone for responding. I will try to keep everyone updated.

Since you still have some questions about your situation and diving future, I'd recommend you follow up with the dr. DAN refered you to, since student health is unlikely to offer you an real insight into your condition. If there's concern about payment, I suggest you call both DAN and your instructor on this - my understanding was that DAN offered free insurance to OW students diving under an instructor's supervision. There might be some limits to this (I vaguely remember having to fill out a form in my OW class that my instructor said had something to do with insurance, so maybe if you didn't do that, it doesn't apply) but it can't hurt to ask and see.
Actually, at further thought, I'd suggest following up with the instructor anyway. He/She might have some input as to your condition, and at any rate I would think that your instructor would be interested to know what happened to you resulting from diving under his/her care.
As others have said, I sympathize with you and wish you a full recovery.
 
jhnsndn once bubbled...
Were you eating a lot of fish during your trip? I knew one girl who did her checkout dives in St. Thomas and thought she was bent. It turned out to be a toxin found in some species of fish. She ate fish everyday she was there. Her first doctor diagnosed her with DCS. She took a chamber ride that didn't help. A second doctor diagnosed her with this toxin and gave her an antidote and she was fine. Something to consider as well.


jhnsndn,

I think you are probably talking about "ciguatera poisining". Here is a link to an article that discusses how DCS and ciguatera are sometimes misdiagnosed.

http://www.scubadiving.com/training/medicine/bad_dive_or_bad_fish/

Also, if you do a Goggle search of ciguatera there is a wealth of sites dedicated to this subject.

Rickg
 
Hi everyone,
Just an update...whatever WAS wrong with me (DCS?, toxin? , whatever) is GONE and as of today and I feel completely normal. Yay. Thanks for your advice (and for listening to me rant & rave).
 
Hello,

I've been paying close attention to this thread and have talked to dr deco in private about a few things. I would like to mention that some allergies/sensitivities can have similar effects. Question I have is do you have any type of seafood sensitivity? Shellfish? Wheat?

My allergist told me one of his friends wife cooked some shrimp and he was rushed to the ER, 20 years later she cooked shrimp again and he ate some and had no problems. He, the allergist, did say food allergies are very peculiar and tricky to work with.

Ed
 
I DO have allergies, but they are mostly to animals (cats, rats, horses, etc) and pollens. No food allergies according to skin testing (and no bad, or even mild, reaction after eating sea food of any sort and I eat it at least once a month). I HAVE had a bad reaction to bee stings twice (broke out in hives), but when tested at the allergist, I did not have a reaction. Very strange. The only reason I mention that is because apparently when we were diving there were fire worms (aka bristle worms?) on the reef. I didn't see them, but apparently they were there. I didn't feel any stings or anything, but maybe it's possible that their "needles" (or whatever they have) were present in the water? I did some reading on them but I couldn't find anything about them causing the symptoms I had.

Just a side note, I DID go to the University health center for a follow-up and the doctor there didn't think I had DCS either...he said it was probably a virus (which I doubt, but whatever).
 
Hello,

That's the tricky part about allergies. "fire worms" are totaly different than "bristle worms". Beware of anything brighly colored while underwater :) There is a species of worms that lives in the sand, they are toxic and very difficult to see.

Ed
 
First, glad to hear you're better.
Just a side note, I DID go to the University health center for a follow-up and the doctor there didn't think I had DCS either...he said it was probably a virus (which I doubt, but whatever).
I'm not a physician, but based on my personal experience - of DCS and virii alike :wink: - I'd agree with Dr Deco and with the good university doctor above. Dr Deco has listed the reasons why DCS is highly unlikely. Particular stress should be placed on the absence of initial hyperbaric pain relief. My two cents would go on ciguatera poisoning or similar allergic reaction (perhaps a jellyfish sting?).

However, a viral reaction isn't as silly an idea as might seem. I had a really strange disorder in London many years ago. The symptoms mimicked encephalitis to the n'th degree and really spooked me! Heavy fever (worst I've ever had), strong headache when looking into the light and marked red spots all over my body. The medic who examined me was ready to send me by ambulance to the local A&E and it was only some twenty yards right across the road ...

Anyway, turned out not to be encephalitis. Not any strange tropical disease either. In fact, the experts at the Royal London never really gave me a clear diagnosis, but affirmed it was "viral". Took a week to clear. Then it went. And it's never returned. Hope - and guess - it'll be the same for you.

Incidentally, I would agree with the other comments about the Ft Lauderdale dive centre. As Saturation has stated, their policy of only 3 minute surface intervals between dives break PADI standards. Don't use them again. And feel free to message me privately too, so that I won't use them in the future. All the best. :)
 
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