i tried to fly out today and i ended up being bent

[Rick Murchison]

WTF? Who went up to 10k ft? Commercial airliners are pressurized to max 8k ft (most cases even lower).

Not untle the next morning at 10k feet i started to feel the joint pain as well it wasn't fun but the doc said if i had not turned the plane I could have ended up parlized.

It's pretty clear that this is a private unpressurized airplane.
Rick

 

[DandyDon]

It's pretty clear that this is a private unpressurized airplane.
Rick

I don't think so. He said "I had all my gear in my checked bags," so I think there was an airline involved. Besides, from Florida to Arizona, who would want to fly a private plane?

 

[Bubbletrubble]

Don't think so. Why would you even consider homeopathic "medicine" as an issue?!? Since when does it have any proven effect? The key point I was trying to make here is that you seem to dismiss PFO but are concerned about homeopathic "medicine"?

@iztok: I listed homeopathic medication when perhaps I should have used the more general term "alternative" medications. FWIW, even highly dilute concentrations of a substance can be toxic...just depends on what substance you're talking about. It was included in the list of "types of medications one should ask a patient" because often times patients will only discuss prescription medications when asked about medications they are currently taking. As you probably already know, any effective medication, whether it be synthetic or occurring in nature, has a therapeutic index. And there are certainly drugs out there that will give the side effect of tingling/numbness in the extremities and/or impact the nervous or circulatory systems in unpredictable ways.

I find it difficult to accept the PFO mechanism of injury to the spinal cord in this particular case because of the neurological symptoms: bilateral, affecting both arms and legs, only somatosensory modalities affected (this is an interpretation of what the OP described). For one thing, if these symptoms were caused by a neurological lesion, it's more likely for that lesion to be at the level of the somatosensory cortex in the brain. Complicating the diagnosis further, many medical issues can give rise to numbness/tingling in the extremities. Also, we know that when people sit still for periods of time (which is likely to occur during a plane ride) this can induce temporary nerve compression and diminished bloodflow. For the reasons I stated in my previous post, in my mind, the OP's symptomatology really doesn't match up well with right-to-left shunting of venous emboli to the central nervous system. I think you interpreted my comments to mean that I don't think a PFO could ever give rise to any form of DCS. If that's the case, you've assumed too much. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

[Jax]

Kell,

Thanks for your courage and forthrightness in posting this. Hope you are well soon. It is refreshing to see someone taking individual responsibility for his or her actions.

iztok, there are homeopathic "medications" that can affect a person just as a bad FDA drug can affect a person. These days, when one goes to a doctor (at least in my experience), one is always questioned on ALL things taken . . . Including such 'benign' drugs as multi-vitamins, cranberry, calcium, and 'B' supplements, etc.

It's all important to the diagnoses.

EDIT: I see BubbleTrubble beat me to it.

 

[GrumpyOldGuy]

It's pretty clear that this is a private unpressurized airplane.
Rick

Don beat me to it....possible but very unlikely. The distance from FL to AZ is way too long for most private, unpressurized aircraft unless you do a lot of bunny hops.

 

[DandyDon]

Don beat me to it....possible but very unlikely. The distance from FL to AZ is way too long for most private, unpressurized aircraft unless you do a lot of bunny hops.

With checked bags going on to Arizona?

 

[iztok]

@iztok: I listed homeopathic medication when perhaps I should have used the more general term "alternative" medications. FWIW, even highly dilute concentrations of a substance can be toxic...just depends on what substance you're talking about.

"Alternative" medicine that has been proven to work is called medicine.

Dilution in the so called homeopathic medicine is so big that sipping from the ocean gives you better chance of getting a molecule of active ingredient. Feel free to show me any medical scientific research showing that homeopathic or any other "alternative" medicine works. As far as therapeutic index is concerned, attempts of deliberate overdosing by severe margin have been done during live audience (and "mass suicide" bu homeopathic "medicine" as well) and all are still well. Reason is very simple, homeopathic medicine doesn't work any better than placebo does.

 

[iztok]

iztok, there are homeopathic "medications" that can affect a person just as a bad FDA drug can affect a person. These days, when one goes to a doctor (at least in my experience), one is always questioned on ALL things taken . . . Including such 'benign' drugs as multi-vitamins, cranberry, calcium, and 'B' supplements, etc.

It's all important to the diagnoses.

Show me a single medical scientific evidence that homeopathic "medicine" works and I'll retract my statement. Multi-vitamins and other supplements you mentioned actually do work and such information is important. But dilution in homeopathic "medicine" is so great that one should also as if patient did drink a glass of water or a drop of sea water during the dive. Water doesn't have memory.

 

[iztok]

It's pretty clear that this is a private unpressurized airplane.

Why would one take of from FLL while diving in Key West? There is an airport right there, no need to drive to FLL and check-in baggage. (Never heard of private unpressurized airplane needing to check-in baggage.)

 

[Jax]

Don beat me to it....possible to be private but very unlikely. The distance from FL to AZ is way too long for most private, unpressurized aircraft unless you do a lot of bunny hops.

With checked bags going on to Arizona?

I think Grumpy is agreeing with you, Don.