I said I'd never book a trip if he was on it, but - now he's booked on a trip I'm on.

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DandyDon

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Here are the basics, and keep in mind that you are only getting one side of the story. I think I have the basics correct...

He was on a group trip 3 or 4 years ago, and after a few shore dives the first day in Cozumel - was found on the dock unconscious. Not a good sign, but better than in the water. Turns out he had a history of seizures since a car wreck some years back, but had been doing so well that he got careless about taking his meds. [-]Well, we all know[/-] And it's been well covered in the Medical forum that a person with a history of seizures, even if controlled on meds, should not be diving, so he sit the trip out - went home to sell his gear, but - didn't.

He apparently did well back on his meds, got a doc's release to drive a vehicle or scuba dive. I certainly have not seen the release, but I guess a doc could be located who would sign one. I have seen physicians convicted of much worse over the years. However he got the release, I presume it exists, and he now is working on his DM card.

Now, he's booked on a trip that I'd already booked on. The group leader claims to have a copy of the release, so - what should I say or do? Nothing seems the obvious answer to me - keep my mouth shut on the trip and my eyes elsewhere. I did say that if he had an incident, that I was not risking my life to help - but that was my lie. Of course I would. We're taught in Rescue to not put ourselves at risk in aiding others, but it's just a degree of risk. Driving to the dock, boarding the boat, rolling off the boat - they all come with risks that we try to manage reasonably.

There will be a lot of dives in the 60 to 130 range, but at least he's diving air and not at risk for OxTox. The best I can think of is to pretend I never knew of a problem. I don't think I am violating any responsibilities or laws, and there's really just nothing I can do about this short of canceling my trip - which I'm not. Guess I'll play the roll of all three monkies...


But then - I thought I might open this up to suggestions...??

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DandyDon:
Well, we all know that a person with a history of seizures, even if controlled on meds, should not be diving,

I didn't know that. And I don 't think I do yet.
 
wow awap....you really want to get you point across....or is the boogey man back on scubaboard..
 
DandyDon:
so - what should I say or do? Nothing seems the obvious answer to me - keep my mouth shut?
It might be too late for this option.
 
Frankly, assuming that the release he has is invalid and that he didn't learn from his previous mistake is really making uncharitable assumptions about two people: him and his physician.

I fail to see how it is any of your business. You can refuse to be his buddy if you can't feel like you can trust him whom you haven't seen in three years and never really knew, or his doctor whom you've never met, but other than that anything else you do is merely bringing grief to this person for no reason.
 
Kinda a tough spot... I'd say to just keep your distance. You're not collecting any money from him, so I wouldn't worry about their liability to you. Besides... it's really this guy's choice to put himself at such a risk.
 
Well, make sure you bring a chew toy so he don't bite off his tongue.
 
i know someone with a siezure disorder and she's pretty well controlled with meds and can tell days in advance when she's going to get one...

sounds like this guy is controlled while on his meds and has had a big mistake in his past with not taking the meds, so is hopefully more religious about it now...

and if it makes you uncomfortable, just don't buddy up with him...
 
I can understand not wanting to be his buddy, but if he wants to dive, then that is his business and not yours.
 
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