Hunting.

[landlocked]

From another thread....

Rob once regurgitaed....Your talking about a bunch of testosterone filled muppets with rifles the IRA would be proud to own going into an environment with the sole intention of blowing the s*%t out of a magnificent animal like a stag just for fun ....

Man are you hunting with the wrong guys!

The facts: (What you have described is illegal and not supported by hunters.) I hunt alone. I'm too old to have any testosterone left. Well not much. I haven't hunted with a rifle in about six years. I don't sympathize with the IRA or any other group that murders people, for any reason. When I hunt, I try really hard NOT to disturb the s*%t. The animals are very magnificent in ways you will never understand. I hunt for meat and yes, I do take some enjoyment from hunting but never from killing.

You failed to answer the last question, lets try three more very simple ones:

Are you a vegetarian?
Do you have canine teeth?
Is it self defeating (psychotic) for for an organism with canine teeth to be anti-hunting?

Have a good time in analysis.

 

[Rick Murchison]

Why are your eyes in the front of your head?
Rick

 

[Rob Meddes]

landlocked once bubbled...
From another thread.... Man are you hunting with the wrong guys!

The facts: (What you have described is illegal and not supported by hunters.) I hunt alone. I'm too old to have any testosterone left. Well not much. I haven't hunted with a rifle in about six years. I don't sympathize with the IRA or any other group that murders people, for any reason. When I hunt, I try really hard NOT to disturb the s*%t. The animals are very magnificent in ways you will never understand. I hunt for meat and yes, I do take some enjoyment from hunting but never from killing.

You failed to answer the last question, lets try three more very simple ones:

Are you a vegetarian?
Do you have canine teeth?
Is it self defeating (psychotic) for for an organism with canine teeth to be anti-hunting?

Have a good time in analysis.

1) i never mentioned you have, had or even assiciate with anyone with any sympathies with the IRA or any other terrorist group.

2)Trying hard not to disturb things??? Isn't that what started all this. (i try hard not to stir up the silt.........then i shoot the 40yr. old grouper.) hmmmm.

3)Shooting for food, fair enough. We all have to eat & if there's a shortage of butchers you have to do something. I also find pleasure in stalking critters but only to look at. I don't see it as a challenge to my hunting prowess, or my manhood, or a man against animal dual (bit one sided that one). (I'm not saying you look at it like this either by the way)

4)No i'm not a veggie.

5)Yes i do have canine teeth (good for eating steak). I also have an appendix & tonsils by the way which are unrequired for life but still there never the less.

6)Errr no, it's not psychotic for me or anyone else to be against hunting. There's a HUGE difference between farming a species which has been bred for that sole purpose since you lot over there were still in caves over here, & killing for fun & profit. Do you think it's right for the japs to kill everything on the cities list because they use it in medecines? Do you think it right that hunters (many u.s.) pay to go to Africa to kill Giraffe, Zebra etc just for fun. This is the type of thing I object to.

Please don't climb on the "if you eat meat & don't agree with hunting then your a hypocrit" bandwagon. The last time i looked hunting cows & sheep was illegal. The NEED to hunt has been removed by the massive food industry, however it's the pleasure some people take in killing things that will never been removed.
Also please don't try the "i hunt it so i understand it" garbage too. If you understood it you'd know that hunting an animal designed for flight from predators is the most terrorfying experience these animals can have. They're DESIGNED to be terrorfied by it.

Try some burgers, they're yummy & you can hunt them with a credit card. (not much fun though)

Rob

 

[landlocked]

I find it interesting that when you get through all the Disney emotional BS, we actually have a lot of beliefs in common!

Rob Meddes once bubbled...

1) i never mentioned you have, had or even assiciate with anyone with any sympathies with the IRA or any other terrorist group.

Thank you. With the FBI going nuts over here, its always nice to be disassociated.

Rob Meddes once bubbled...

2)Trying hard not to disturb things??? Isn't that what started all this. (i try hard not to stir up the silt.........then i shoot the 40yr. old grouper.) hmmmm.

Not sure where this came from. But, does grouper taste good?

Rob Meddes once bubbled...
3)Shooting for food, fair enough. We all have to eat & if there's a shortage of butchers you have to do something.

Thanks. I never shoot anything that I don't want to eat. Most, not all, but most of the hunters that I know hunt for food. They depend on being successful to fill the freezer for the year. I know that is hard to understand in some parts of the world, but we still hunt for meat here. The herds are raised and Managed just like cattle. Their feed is supplimented during the winter when necessary. The management of these herds is supported by hunting dollars. The only difference here is that the pen is bigger. (BTW, It really irks me when the Federal Government then STEALS our herds to feed their stupid wolves. You want to feed a pack of stupid wolves, fine, go find your own wolf food.)

Rob Meddes once bubbled...
I also find pleasure in stalking critters but only to look at. I don't see it as a challenge to my hunting prowess, or my manhood, or a man against animal dual (bit one sided that one). (I'm not saying you look at it like this either by the way)

I mostly just look as well however, once a year the freezer does need filling. The only difference I see here is that I do take a certain pride in being good at it. (Nothing worse than a sloppy hunter.)

Rob Meddes once bubbled...
4)No i'm not a veggie.

I suspected that you weren't. They are a rare breed in cold climates.

Rob Meddes once bubbled...

5)Yes i do have canine teeth (good for eating steak). I also have an appendix & tonsils by the way which are unrequired for life but still there never the less.

Steak is good but there is nothing better than a bit of moose tenderloin. Nothing.

Rob Meddes once bubbled...

6)Errr no, it's not psychotic for me or anyone else to be against hunting. There's a HUGE difference between farming a species which has been bred for that sole purpose since you lot over there were still in caves over here, & killing for fun & profit. Do you think it's right for the japs to kill everything on the cities list because they use it in medecines? Do you think it right that hunters (many u.s.) pay to go to Africa to kill Giraffe, Zebra etc just for fun. This is the type of thing I object to.

I can think of 4 elk farms within 15 miles of here. The so called wild stag has a split hoof and is raised on fenced farms for meat and shed horns just like cattle. Don't know what a cities list is, but no, indiscrimnate hunting or harvesting is very hard to support. Since you are honest let me be also. I don't approve of hunting just for sport. As grandpa used to say, if you shoot it you eat it or if you don't want to eat it, leave it alone. (There are exceptions to this rule like when the bear is in the sheep.) I have no interest in shooting giraffe or zebra for sport and really don't support those that do. Now a nice wildebeast, that might be pretty good. But I can buy a whole lot of freezer meat for what it would cost me to go and get one. I would rather spend it on diving.

Rob Meddes once bubbled...
Please don't climb on the "if you eat meat & don't agree with hunting then your a hypocrit" bandwagon. The last time i looked hunting cows & sheep was illegal.

That would depend on whose sheep it is. I have hunted semi-wild range cattle with a blunt tip arrow. (The elk were missing that day.) Had an absolute blast. Um... don't tell the rancher, I'm not really sure that he would approve of my tenderizing the meat while it was still walking. Cows are sooooo stupid!

Rob Meddes once bubbled... The NEED to hunt has been removed by the massive food industry, however it's the pleasure some people take in killing things that will never been removed. Also please don't try the "i hunt it so i understand it" garbage too. If you understood it you'd know that hunting an animal designed for flight from predators is the most terrorfying experience these animals can have. They're DESIGNED to be terrorfied by it.

The NEED to hunt is still alive and well. It is still a lot cheaper and there are many of my neighbors that depend on the hunt to fill the freezer. When the hunt is unsuccessful, they eat alot of beans.

Unlike Disney, I'm not sure that I understand what an elk feels when it is being hunted. My experience is that it isn't all as bad as you make it sound. They were designed to be food as well as to flee from predators. I do know that death is hard and comes for us all. Does a deer fulfill the measure of it's creation more fully by living a long life or by feeding my family? A really good religious question. I also know, that my taking a deer, being a good hunter, is a lot less tramatic to the animal than being eaten alive by a pack of wolves or by dying of starvation during a cold winter. Those animals that successfully avoid the hunter die much more ignomious deaths. Are the cattle in the butcher yard not terrified? Think of what the smell must be like for their instincts. Nature is cruel. As a responsible hunter, I try hard not to be.

Rob Meddes once bubbled...
Try some burgers... Rob

I would love to but the hunt was unsuccessful and the freezer is empty. (Actually I quit hunting this year.) That stuff you get at McDonalds is gross and obscene. Food? I think not. I may have to start up again next year.

I support your decision to pay someone else to kill your food for you. I would like your support in fetching my own. Thanks.

 

[MikeFerrara]

I don’t hunt anymore. Mostly because I don’t have time but also because I enjoy it less than I once did. My favorite meat (bar none) is grey squirrel. Coming in a close second is wild rabbit. I don’t like the domestic version. I love quail. I like dove breasts in my spaghetti sauce. I grew up hunting and fishing with my father. Some of my fondest memories are of hunting with my father, uncle and cousins and later my son.

In this country hunters and fishermen put their money where their mouth is. They have paid for a large percentage of our conservation efforts. Nobody cares more about the longevity of these animals or the preservation or their habitat than hunters and fishermen. If not for the monies paid by them there would stand factories where we now have wildlife habitat. Legal, well managed hunting has documented value as a wildlife management tool.

I have seen “slob hunters” and poachers and don’t like them.

 

[wrecNcaver]

I am not a hunter but I do support those who do hunt, and hunt only what they eat. In my neck of the woods, the deer are severly over populated. This is due to the lack of natural preditors. Three times the number of deer are killed by autos then are killed by hunters. In addition, whole herds are now infected with disease due to over population. In the winter, they come out of the woods, into the suburbs to find food. Starvation is a very ugly thing for these over populated herds. Responsible hunting is not bad. Many of my friends feed their families by hunting and fishing. It is the only way they can make their income stretch. I choose not to hunt as I can feed my family from the butcher but I do support responsible hunting.

 

[TwoBitTxn]

My main animals around here are waterfowl, deer, and as a non-game animal feral hogs.

There is less fat, less cholesterol, no preservatives, no chemicals, no hormones, and better quality in game meats.

Its harder to cook and for many an aquired taste.

Feral sheep are legal to hunt here. The desert big horn population is working on a come back.

Landlocked,

Thumping a ranchers cows with a blunt gives hunters a bad name. Consider what happens if you get caught and how it looks from a distance. What you do reflects on all of us.

There are towns and small cities that pay professional hunters big bucks to cull the deer herd because they are eating peoples gardens. A buck in the fall that is jacked up on testosterone and has eight to ten daggers on his head can get really mean.

You have your right to be against what I do, but I have my right to do what I do as long as its legal.

TwoBit

 

[socaldiver]

I also use to hunt squirrel and rabbit on my own land before I moved out west 20 years ago. The family sort of enjoyed eating different food once in awhile (still taste like chicken!! ).

Landlocked: don't forget moose burgers and roast. Had some friends over years ago for a cook out. Broke out some moose burgers and threw them on the grill. One guy ate 3 burgers and his wife, of very small stature I might add, ate 2. We were shooting the breeze after dinner and they asked where we got our meat from. Hehehe, last time they asked that question I bet. Anyway, they went and talked to Ralph for awhile and never again accepted our invitation to a cookout unless they brought the meat.

My little bro lives just outside Idaho Falls and was hunting somewhere up on the Snake. Brought down a 800+ lb Elk a coupe of weeks ago. Brought some steaks in town when he came to visit in October. Can't wait to have a feast.

 

[Tractor Tom]

Also in Michigan, and I'm darn tired of feeding the deer with my corn and soy beans! The venison from deer around here tastes like beef, because the deer are eating the same things we feed the beef!!!! Others are right, the deer herd in Michigan is TOO large, car-deer accidents have jacked up the auto insurance rates to some of the highest in the nation. I can and DO support anyone who will hunt for food. (I have a large pot of venison stew in the fridge right now, just need to get home and put it on the stove for a few hours to make it ready to eat). I hope my son gets another deer this year, as we are almost out of venison and I really like it. NO steroids in this stuff, lean and tasty. Especially like a piece for breakfast before going out to cut firewood in the fall.....

 

[landlocked]

TwoBitTxn once bubbled...
Landlocked,

Thumping a ranchers cows with a blunt gives hunters a bad name. Consider what happens if you get caught and how it looks from a distance. What you do reflects on all of us.

You are right of course! (I can't believe I confessed to that in a public forum! :embarr: )