How long is a diver a newbie?

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Ok, so I was just wondering something... I see lots of people post (myself included) that they are a newbie still... At what point did you consider yourself to no longer be a newbie? :blinking:
You're a newbie until you pee in your wetsuit.

I'm still a newbie - and I hope to always be a newbie. (:

An alternative view - I felt no longer a newbie after I came back from my Australia trip. I certified (cold, drysuit) before I went - so I had 4 dives when I arrived in Australia, did 50 dives (over about 20 days) in a variety of conditions (good/bad viz, shallow/deep water, current/no current), and so 54 dives when I left. After that, I felt pretty comfortable in the water.
 
It's a relative term, which means there are no hard and fast rules. You're a newbie as long as you feel like one. At some point you'll realize you are not a newbie any more, and you'll be unable to remember just when that happened.
But the question was asking about YOU - not themselves, or a generic "someone". (:
 
The more I get into diving the more I realize there are new areas to learn (and improve). That is one aspect that makes diving a bunch of fun.
 
Each time I think I've gotten comfortable in the water, I learn something more and realize that I'm now MORE comfortable. I don't think there's any hard line between "newby" and "experienced diver". It's a constant evolution of getting better as you do more dives and expand your sphere of competence. Maybe someday, when the simple mechanics of diving have all become completely unconscious, I'll stop having revelations of my persistent "newbiness".
 
At around 50 dives, I asked some local expert divers (>500 dives each) to let me tag along with them.

At the end of the dive, they said, "You're an OK diver, your welcome to dive with us anytime."

To me, that was the end of my noobie-ness.
 
I think the question is actually a little more complex than meets the eye. There are different facets to being a "newbie" that interrelate but may not all be considered when a person is evaluating oneself or another

First there is the skill factor. Has a person become significantly adequate in the water to be a confident, self-reliant diver? Consider the “you don’t know what you don’t know” factor when you evaluate yourself. Look for feedback from trusted, more experienced divers you associate with.

That being said, one can be a quick learner and have excellent skills yet still be a “newbie”. It’s just the simple concept of having some real life experience. One must get out and dive and work through the real life issues that come with diving. This will be the only way one can gain experience and grow in a “responsible confidence.” And, as others with more experience than me have said, this can be compartmentalized into different types of diving experiences, so the learning curve can start over again in new diving environments.

I think there is another factor that some may not necessarily relate to being a “newbie”. And that’s a level of wisdom and maturity. One can have awesome skills and even a fair degree of experience but still not be a wise diver. You know the type. Those that think they are invincible, or those that never listen because they have it “all figured out”. Again, this one may not necessarily be related to being a “newbie”. I’m sure there are people out there that never outgrow this attitude as well as “newbie’s” that never display this approach.

But as I consider my own, fairly new, journey into diving, as I consider the possibility of my loved ones getting into diving, or if I ever was to become an instructor, I would want to see growth in all of these areas.

Does the diver have the skills to be safe and self-reliant?
Has the diver put in the bubble time to have a set of rounded experiences?
Does the diver display the maturity of a quiet confidence in their diving that is balanced with being a responsible, always learning member of the diving community?
If the above questions are answered yes by both the diver and his/her diving peers, then, in my mind, they are no longer a “newbie”.
 
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We are all new at something.
At 20 dives, I knew everything. At 50 dives I realized I knew hardly anything. That cycle continues today. Each dive reveals new information, new experiences and new realizations on what needed more attention.

Don't worry and just keep diving. At some point, you will be the one passing along well thought out advice to some and asking for it from others.
 
I am very comfortable in my local, cold water, dry suit, low vis, currents...etc. environment NDL diving. :cool2: It took me at least 50 dives, maybe closer to 100 to be a really comfy. But I am a newbie at tech diving, I am a newbie in overhead, I would be a newbie in the ice diving.:confused: As people like Walter, TSandM, Scubadad1 said, there is always something new you discover, new things to learn. When you start thinking that you know everything (not just in the diving) that's the moment when you might get in a trouble.
If I go to jogging/running board I would be an equivalent of Walter on this board, but I am a board newbie here. I think some people feel almost embarrassed to be newbie, but there is nothing wrong with learning new things. You will know, when you are not a newbie anymore. Just be honest with your self and never forget that there is always so much more to learn.
 
You're a newbie until you no longer think of yourself that way.

Sometime before your 25th dive, things will come together, and you won't feel so uncertain in the water. Bouyancy, trim, air, and the other mechanics of diving will become somewhat automatic and you have your mind free to enjoy the dive. You'll also kind of know the drill getting ready on shore or a boat.

One day you'll find yourself helping someone greener than you, and know you're not a Newbie but an "inexperienced diver."

Hopefully, no matter how long you'll be diving there will be new things to discover, keeping it fresh, and there will always be a bit of that newbie excitement.
 
I think you remain a newbie until the first time you get in the sh%&$ on a dive and get yourself out again. You will learn more on that day than every course you have have ever taken.
 

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